A questions about brexit - flights

[Stripybeachbag]

Can you buy flights between Europe and the UK after 29th March 2019? I checked a couple of airlines, e.g. Heathrow - Paris, and none were available. I haven't obviously got the time to check all routes with all airlines. Has anyone bought a holiday or flight after March next year?

From what I read, within the UK is fine because UK law will still be governing everything.

Its the linkup with anybody and everybody else that goes pear shaped

From what I read, within the UK is fine because UK law will still be governing everything.

For UK insurers, maybe.

However, we live in a complex world. Just take any individual aircraft. Every single component on that aircraft has to be covered by an insurance policy somehow. Not all of those policies will be underwritten by UK insurers. And the non-UK insurers will be bound by the laws of their countries - not the UK.

If even a single rivet or bolt becomes uninsured, then who would risk moving - let alone flying - that aircraft ?

At least we are finally getting to the meat of Brexit ... which is that the past 45 years have seen changes beyond the capability of any single country to absorb. And the consequences of leaving that complexity - or trying to re-engage with it on our own terms - are not simple.

For the few that like facts, there are worst ways to spend an hour than watching this programme about the evolution of air safety

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03d690n

Notice how behind the technology there is a fuckload of paperwork, and alphabet agencies. As well as the by now not-needed and useless experts.

After watching that, who would you rather cleared your plane for takeoff ? The properly accredited and instantiated body. Or Jacob Rees Mogg (on the ground, of course) saying "just take off you traitorous bastards. Everything will be alright. Honest." ????????

@DGR
I would love to watch that programme but sadly having been paying for an extortionate TV license in the UK for 30 years, as I am now 'in the EU' I can't access it.
I suppose the upside is I can't get 'Love Island'.
I suppose in your aircraft example they could simply take out all the bolts that were not made and certified in the UK?

PS, Don't try this at home kids!

I suppose in your aircraft example they could simply take out all the bolts that were not made and certified in the UK?

Which would render the airframes certification null and void.

Mother
I can see no reason why a UK passport would cease to be valid after Brexit.
So if you were travelling between other countries it should be tickety boo
but travel plans for that week should bear in mind that customs officers of nearly every country will roll their eyes at you

Do you know Ta 1kinPeace whether passports will work on Brexit day +1?

May not be a question of the passport, more any visa/entry requirements. Arrivals into the EU from 3rd countries may need visas and a criminal record check (which could result in being refused entry).

europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-nationals/index_en.htm

eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32001R0539

Travel to Ireland should be unaffected. But travel from there into another EU country will fall under the above.

Maybe I should be doing Raabs job ?

As a kicker, since the carrier is liable for the costs of returning a refused entrant (plus any fines), it's highly likely a lot of carriers will simply play safe, and refuse to carry passengers that can't be guaranteed entry. Part of the EUs hostile environment for immigrants.

I think European immigration are increasing the necessary workforce by taking retired officers out of retirement, particularly those with poor eyesight. They will work in a special 'slow' lane specifically for UK travelers. They have ordered some ink and quills for them to do their work. Your chance to relive the 1950s era of travel.

Your chance to relive the 1950s era of travel.

Didn't that go:

"We're British" as you sailed past the queues ?

The situation I suggested felt to be true on a return trip from Spain last year as each customs officer took 4 minutes per traveler (to get through 4 plane fulls of travelers). It was quite amusing to see the elderly spanish (pension age) heckling the security guards and customs officers. Fortunately the held the plane's departure for 20 minutes until all passengers had got through.

It was quite amusing to see the elderly spanish (pension age)

Ah, the pensionistas . They get a free holiday on the state, once a year. On honeymoon, we were the only Brits in the hotel ...

If the planes were insured for UK travel could that mean we could fly to NI (then bus it to Dublin for onward flights) and Gibraltar? Getting into Spain from Gibraltar may be a bit slow though.
Will make travelling more of an adventure I suppose...

While it might be an 'adventure' there is a good chance that you will be sat on your own in whichever UK airport you wish to fly from with no planes so unless there is a LOT more positive movement I would book for a week in Skegness.

We had a summer holiday in Europe this year as I was concerned the situation next year is up in the air.
Though DH has booked a holiday in Europe with friends in April next year - he has more faith than me that it'll be settled.

Thanks havana

From today's Sunday Times. 'Preparations for aviation are "a shambles"

Regardless of Brexit you need travel insurance to travel to the EU. An ehic cars will get you treated but it won’t pay for you to brought home in an ambulance etc if this is needed.

As you were

If airlines have excluded liability for Brexit, will travel insurers do the same?

woman that echoes what I was told by a visitor to my work - a South African guy who works in aviation. I know it’s anecdotal but he reckoned the government had way underestimated the complexity of dealing with aviation and he just didn’t think Brexit was going to happen.

Oh dear...... This is from the technical advice letter issued by So State for Health.

The scheme also includes separate arrangements for the air freight of medicines with short shelf-lives, such as medical radioisotopes.

It is a little shambolic if the people making contingency plans are unaware of the issues that will impact on that plan.

A pp was asking about why no technical advice has been given on air travel yet..it is because the govt is releasing the less contentious ones first. I guess it also means that they can release the medical advice with a straight face.

the European Aviation Safety Agency only covers civilian planes and flights, so the UK government could, in theory, nationalise all UK planes, airports etc and declare them part of the RAF? Presumably that would restrict their use to military airports only overseas.

I didn't know that... thanks!

will travel insurers do the same?

Mine already has a clause about not paying out for things caused by 'government action'. I don't know whether this was always there, but since Brexit is Government Action, I would expect them to invoke it pretty quickly, if I tried to claim.

The scheme also includes separate arrangements for the air freight of medicines with short shelf-lives, such as medical radioisotopes

This is how radioisotopes are currently supplied. They are flown in overnight and delivered to hospitals in the early hours for each day's operations. There is a special secure supply chain for goods such as this; a chain which breaks the moment the aircraft cannot fly or land in the UK.