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RedToothBrush · 17/08/2018 11:58

No its not the weather making your brain rot and stop thinking.

Thats just Brexit.

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Buteo · 20/08/2018 21:09

Make him health minister and he’d solve the obesity crisis with public weigh ins?

durgha · 20/08/2018 22:25
IalwayswantedtobeBeth · 20/08/2018 22:58

Place marking.

RedToothBrush · 20/08/2018 23:11

Do we have an Emergency Chute for Brexit?

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mathanxiety · 21/08/2018 06:36

...for Ireland you can only go back as far as grandparents. Babooshka

Given the adoption element and the fact that the name seems untraceable, it might be possible to find actual blood relatives with a DNA test and work your way to Irish grandparents by a process of investigation and elimination.

Don't give up - names were sometimes misspelled, Mc's and O's left out (O'Neill or McNeill becoming Neill, for instance) or there may have been longer birth names that nobody nowadays might suspect (e.g. Honora or Eleanora for Nora). Sometimes women who left Ireland pregnant deliberately used slightly different names in England. Marie might have been Mary (a far more common version of the name in the early part of the 20th century in Ireland).

prettybird · 21/08/2018 08:38

Just watched Dan interview Liam (disgraced werrity sniffing former defence secretary) Fox on Breakfast TV. Hmm

He's not as good an interviewer as Charlie: asked some good questions but allow Fox to get away with waffle, sound bites, misleading answers and downright lies. He did try to challenge him a bit, eg on the Small Business Federation's and the NHS Confederations concerns - but let Fox get away with sound bites in response, trying to turn around the blame for any impact onto the EU and its "bureaucracy". Angry

Hazardswan · 21/08/2018 08:42

Morning

Trying not to cry this morning after reading the news

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45250070

If your struggling to find irish links with a spare 2 million you can buy a Maltese passport apparrently...! it's what the brexcrements do.

Sure that's realistic and attainable to every one Grin (sarcasm)

Hazardswan · 21/08/2018 08:44

Glad I didn't watch that pretty might of tipped me over the edge and I can't afford to buy a new telly Grin

woman11017 · 21/08/2018 08:46

250 000 euros is the cheapest I can see for EU residency.
www.independent.co.uk/travel/the-12-easiest-and-cheapest-countries-for-gaining-european-union-residency-brexit-a7882271.html

DGRossetti · 21/08/2018 08:49

Not immediately related to Brexit, but the saga of ICANN and GDPR drags on past the point embarrassment.

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/21/internet_overseer_continues_wallpunching_legal_campaign/

TL;DR is despite over 2 years of time to prepare for the impact of GDPR on it's (very US-oriented) way of working, ICANN felt that the world needed it more than it needed GDPR.

Come GDPR day, and a German registrar complies with GDPR and breaks ICANNs contract. ICANN goes to an EU (German) court to get an injunction to force registrar to comply with ICANNs contract.

Court says no.

ICANN throws a wobbly, insists court is wrong, goes back to court to say so and insists court refers case to higher court.

Court re-examines case. Decides there's nothing warranting further interpretation. Tells ICANN so.

Now ICANNs reasoning for the second appeal appears to be that it didn't understand the law the first time. (To be honest I rather lost the will to live at that point).

However internet and legal minutiae aside, this case is a fascinating example of a cross national collision between 3rd party organisation and EU law. My reason for following (and posting about it), is that March 30th 2019, absent a WA, the UK becomes a 3rd party nation. So if Brexiteers were having soapy tit wank fantasies about the UK ploughing a furrow through EU law "because it's us" (or should that be "because it's UK" Hmm) this should give them pause for thought.

DGRossetti · 21/08/2018 09:34

On the basis I first learned "Cockwomble" on MN, who will admit to this ....

pointythings · 21/08/2018 09:35

I feel for my DDs' friends. So many choices being taken away from them by the ignorant. DDs and I will never, never naturalise. We will leave first - our beautiful burgundy Dutch passports are worth so much more now.

DGRossetti · 21/08/2018 09:38

infacts.org/9815-2/

Be prepared. Not only has Nigel Farage announced his ‘return’ to frontline politics as vice-chairman of the Leave Means Leave campaign, that organisation has also revealed they will be launching a new “battle bus” on the streets of Britain. The only question is what lie they will paint on it this time.

According to the official announcement, Leave means Leave is going to be campaigning on the streets against “the prime minister’s disastrous Chequers proposal”: the awful Brexit compromise that the Conservative party and indeed Theresa May’s own government are already doing an admirable job of dismantling. The real reason for the return of Farage, however, is more probably that he and his friends are getting rattled by the gathering momentum of anti-Brexit sentiment in the UK electorate.

If Farage were simply worried that May would sell his vision of Brexit down the river, he could surely rely on Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, and the rest of their fellow travellers within the Conservative party to do his work for him. But he also knows that they don’t have the votes in parliament to agree on an alternative Brexit plan.

There lies the great dilemma for the Brexit campaign. May’s plan is already proving hugely unpopular with Tory grassroots supporters. If it were voted down by Rees-Mogg’s hard Brexit-backing European Research Group, the move would be likely to trigger a leadership contest. If Farage’s friend Arron Banks is to be believed, there are plenty of ardent Leavers willing to join the Tory party to make sure a proper pro-Brexit man – and it would almost certainly be a man – takes over.

But Farage can’t be sure. And a hard Brexit Tory leader could split the party, opening the way for a Corbyn government in Downing Street. This logic is why the more subtle Brexiters like Michael Gove are still backing May and Chequers. What they really want is a blind Brexit – a vague commitment to a final outcome without any real details – that takes us out of the EU on March 29 next year. Once that’s done, they can get on with campaigning for their real goal. All the more reason for us to campaign for a People’s Vote before Brexit can happen.

There’s no doubt the wind is gathering behind our campaign. Superdry founder Julian Dunkerton has donated £1m to the cause, a huge vote of confidence, and the polls are beginning to show that more and more people want the electorate to have the final say. With the UK facing a disastrous Brexit – either no deal, a bad deal, or a blind deal – the calls are getting louder for the public to take back control with a People’s Vote. It’s no wonder that Farage and his friends are getting badly rattled.

woman11017 · 21/08/2018 10:09

‏There's certainly a snit developing as BJ is refusing to go on NF's bus.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-boris-johnson-brexit_uk_5b7ac0e5e4b05906b415aeaf

On 'ardent leavers' numbers to do what the SWP did to labour; on ukip's membership figures I'm not sure where they'll get them from. Its membership was 34 000 as of Jan 2018.

External players work well on psyops campaigns on internet, but the 2000 rules, for membership are still in place.

It would certainly cost quite a wee bit and require logistical infrastructure and funds which the SWP have had for decades, to employ little helpers to flood tory party.

Here's the link if any one would like to walk on the wild side.
www.conservatives.com/renew

@IanDunt
Creative Industries Federation issues warning to its members preparing them for no-deal.

It's going to be fun playing at being the USSR in the 1950s isn't it.
Maybe nice human rights activists in the EU could smuggle in musicians for secret performances?

SwedishEdith · 21/08/2018 10:32

twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1031784514505322496

"The weird, new, no-deal-friendly Richard North continues.
On Day 3, we learn the root cause: North has discovered politics (so anyone who hasn't is now behind the curve)."

Roland Smith on the continuing psychological breakdown of Richard North. RS was a Leaver but not at any cost.

missmoon · 21/08/2018 10:41

Swedish yes, I've been following the growing panic on the Richard North blog, it's very interesting to see the psychological contortions both he and some of the usual posters are trying to justify their continued support of Brexit at all costs. And the fear of another referendum that could possibly undo the whole thing.

SwedishEdith · 21/08/2018 10:55

I don't really read his blogs so reading what (were) Leavers think about him is...interesting. And, by the sound of it, they have followed his blogs for years - and were, presumably, influences by his ideas?

Motheroffourdragons · 21/08/2018 11:30

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TheElementsSong · 21/08/2018 11:43

Why do they keep banishing any thread with a mention of Brexit off of any of the more widely read topics?

Mustn't frighten the horses?

Motheroffourdragons · 21/08/2018 11:46

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DGRossetti · 21/08/2018 12:01

Why do they keep banishing any thread with a mention of Brexit off of any of the more widely read topics?

Maybe they're trying to be consistent ?

woman11017 · 21/08/2018 12:06

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Mrsr8 · 21/08/2018 12:07

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PineappleSunrise · 21/08/2018 12:13

They don't do it with anything else. There are scores of topics in AIBU that could be filed off into other topics, but aren't.

I think there is a group of people (organised, or possibly not) who report all the Brexit threads and get them sidelined so they won't get the politically disengaged and/or low-information voters thinking about what's actually happening.

They may well be helped along by people who just don't want to hear about it, but given that no-one ever moans about the Trump threads I suspect the "no talking about Brexit" protests are little more... strategic.

Motheroffourdragons · 21/08/2018 12:16

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