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Brexit

An open letter to leavers

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 12:54

Dear Leavers

I’m sorry that David Cameron offered us a referendum and promised to respect the outcome, whatever it was.

Unfortunately, he was fucking with you.

He promised that referendum when he didn’t think he stood a cat’s chance in hell of getting a majority, and never thought he’d actually have to deliver on it. When he got his surprise majority, he made a big show of going to Brussels and pretending to negotiate with the EU to get us a “better deal”. Unfortunately, he already knew perfectly well that the UK already had a better deal than any other country in the EU, and that they were not going to bend over backwards to get us to stay. So he made a big show of negotiating and then tried to pretend that he had done something meaningful. He then went through the motions of holding a referendum, half-heartedly campaigning to remain. He did absolutely no contingency planning, partly because he never believed that leave would actually win, and partly because he already knew that he had no intention of staying to deal with the fallout if they did. That’s why he resigned the day after the referendum and waltzed off, whistling a merry tune.

He played a high risk game of poker with our money, and lost.

I understand that many of you feel defensive about your decision and dislike being labelled “thick” by angry remainers. As a remainer myself, I feel saddened and frustrated that none of you seem able to articulate any benefits that will actually come out of Brexit. But at this stage, I would quite happily accept that there will be no benefits, and settle for damage limitation. Unfortunately none of you seem able to explain how we limit the damage either.

We cannot leave the single market and customs union without there being a hard border in Ireland, which will put people’s lives at risk. We cannot leave the single market and customs union without severely damaging most sectors of the economy, which would cause untold hardship for millions of people living in the UK. I realise that remaining in the single market and customs union would make leaving the EU pointless, but it is the only way to limit the damage.

The government has made almost no progress towards getting a workable deal in place, and time is running out. We don’t have the infrastructure in place to ensure that supply chains of essential food and medicine will not be disrupted after Brexit day. We don’t have a plan to ensure that planes will still be able to take off and land, or that satnav will still work. We do not have any trade deals lined up. We simply do not have time to do any of these things.

Dear leavers, you do not have solutions to any of these problems, and more importantly, neither do Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Andrea Leadsom, Daniel Hannan, Jeremy Corbyn, Kate Hoey or any of the people who claim to think Brexit is the right choice for the UK.

A no-deal Brexit is unthinkable. It is not an option.

I realise that many of you will feel betrayed if we do not get the kind of Brexit you want. But to be honest, you’re going to feel betrayed even if you do get the kind of Brexit you want, because it will be unimaginably shit. This is not "project fear", it is "project reality".

The government has a duty to act in the best interests of the country as a whole. It’s not good enough to lay the blame at David Cameron’s door and say he held the referendum so we have to respect the vote. David Cameron has been out of office for two years. It is now plainer than ever that leaving the EU is a terrible idea, and there is still time to put the brakes on and not go through with it. If the government goes through with this when they could put a stop to it, they cannot continue to blame David Cameron and claim that their hands were tied. They are not.

It is time for Theresa May to do the decent thing and say, “I’m sorry, I know it’s what the people voted for, but it simply can’t be done without causing a totally unacceptable amount of harm to the country. And I have a duty of care towards everyone, not just the 51.8% who voted leave.”

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PestymcPestFace · 04/08/2018 07:26

Raven88 you work somewhere that requires a continuum of service. You don't get rest breaks. That bit of that directive does not apply to you.
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Cynic1947 · 04/08/2018 07:35

The Brexit situation is frustrating. It appears to be a total mess. But it will get sorted out one way or another and life will carry on. That is the nature of things. There have been worse things happen in this country and we have survived. Now I am older and a tad wiser, I try not to get upset about things over which I have no control. I had my vote ..... I can’t do anymore at this stage. Last time I became very distressed about a situation I couldn’t control ..... a friend sent me a card. It said on the front, ‘It will be alright in the end .... if it’s not alright, it’s not the end’. That card is still on my dresser and I frequently need to read it!

Raven88 · 04/08/2018 07:46

@PestymcPestFace It did apply as it was starting to be implemented in other services that do the exact same job as me and we would have to take breaks.

Raven88 · 04/08/2018 07:52

@akerman when I say leave the premises I mean in my job I would have to leave the persons house and the only way to implement it would be to either build a break room or the shifts would have to be shorter. It's not considered a rest break if I am still with the person I am supporting.

SoloD · 04/08/2018 07:55

@Cynic1947 I think there is quite a lot we can do. Make your MP know you won't vote for them if they don't support a second vote. Sign petitions, join marches. It could be fun.

Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

LoveInTokyo · 04/08/2018 07:56

15 hours looking after someone with no break is dangerous whichever way you look at it.

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Raven88 · 04/08/2018 08:01

@LoveInTokyo in what way is it dangerous?

SoloD · 04/08/2018 08:02

@Raven88

Are you sure this is EU law and not your employer's interpretation? Certainly not the case in the company I work for.

There is a lot of lies told in some parts of the media about EU law. It is always better to check than assume these are correct.

TheGoldenWolfFleece · 04/08/2018 08:03

Why do people persist in blaming those who voted leave? Blame the politicians. The ones who lied to the electorate and blame the media. Blame those who didn't get off their arse and vote at all. I voted remain but blaming those who voted leave for the current shitshow is childish and simplistic.

jasjas1973 · 04/08/2018 08:05

Raven88

www.gov.uk/rest-breaks-work/taking-breaks

You come under compensatory rest breaks, as do i.

That your employer has mis interpreted the WTD is hardly the EU's fault, btw these rules are hardly new, they ve been about for years.

LoveInTokyo · 04/08/2018 08:08

Raven because no one can stay focused for that long without taking a break, and when people put their brains and bodies under that kind of prolonged strain, mistakes happen.

GoldenWolf I don’t blame leave voters for Brexit, but I am thoroughly fed up with them saying - two years later - we voted leave so that’s that. After two years it’s not enough, and given that at the moment there’s a very real risk of us leaving with no deal, I think it’s everyone’s responsibility to educate themselves on what no deal actually means and wise up to what will happen if we don’t all put pressure on our politicians to be more reasonable. And I think people do need to wise up to the fact that what they were promised by the leave campaign simply isn’t deliverable and they need to readjust their expectations (particularly around free movement).

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stressedoutpa · 04/08/2018 08:11

Op, I don't know if you realise this but posting on MN isn't going to make an awful lot of difference.

You need to get over yourself and your self importance. The country has decided. We're leaving the EU.

Raven88 · 04/08/2018 08:14

@LoveInTokyo I don't have to stay focused that long. I get down time, I have managed to get a tan just from going to work. One part of my job is just to be there. Mistakes are rare.

LoveInTokyo · 04/08/2018 08:17

stressedoutpa

Yes. So people keep saying.

How are we leaving the EU? And what are we doing about this whole border situation?

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Raven88 · 04/08/2018 08:19

I might be wrong about the legislation. But I am just going off what I was told from managers from other areas.

LoveInTokyo · 04/08/2018 08:22

And that's what you based your vote on?

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Raven88 · 04/08/2018 08:29

Immigration and Turkey joining the EU influenced my vote. Also law making should be done in the UK.

TheElementsSong · 04/08/2018 08:30

Turkey. Joining. The. EU.

LoveInTokyo · 04/08/2018 08:34

Turkey is not joining the EU.

What specifically about immigration do you think is a problem and will be resolved by Brexit?

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PestymcPestFace · 04/08/2018 08:36

Law making is done in the UK. The working time directive from the EU defines night as 12-5. When the UK made their own law based on this they chose to define night a 11-6, because they could, because we do have a sovereign government.

jasjas1973 · 04/08/2018 08:39

Raven88

Law making IS done in the UK
Turkey was never ever going to join the EU, anyone of 28 countries could veto their membership.

FOM is a valid reason but of course, you need to ask why if you went to another EU country, you d not be given working tax credits and housing benefit, its a huge draw to come and work here.
We have a non contributory benefits system, most EU countries have contributory systems, so you only get out if you ve previously paid in.

golondrina · 04/08/2018 08:39

Raven, EU immigration could have bee controlled at any time but the govt didn't set up the systems. All EU states have the right to ask you to get a job within a certain period or prove you can support yourself, if not they can kick you out. I live in Spain and on arriving needed to show a work contract or enough financial means to support myself and private health care. If not I couldn't stay.
The UK could have done that too and didn't bother.
Turkey is not and never was joining the EU, you've been had on that one.

Raven88 · 04/08/2018 08:39

When the vote happened Turkey joining the EU was predicted to happen in 2020. Does leaving the EU not mean that the government can control who we let in.

golondrina · 04/08/2018 08:42

Yes, in Spain you have to work to earn unemployment benefits, you get a certain amount and then it runs out. Once it runs out you have to work again to earn some more.

LoveInTokyo · 04/08/2018 08:48

Raven, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but that was a big fat lie.

Turkey is no closer to joining the EU now than when they first asked to join in 1985. They don't meet the criteria. And even if they met all the criteria, they could only join if all the existing 28 states unanimously agreed to it.

I'm trying not to lose my rag here, but this is very basic stuff.

The remain campaigners pointed out repeatedly that there was almost zero chance of Turkey joining the EU ever, let alone in 2020 FFS.

I still don't quite get how the leave campaign managed to pull off labelling the remain campaign as "Project Fear" for saying that food would get more expensive (actually happening), jobs would be lost (also happening) and there would be civil unrest (almost certainly going to happen if the Irish border issue is not resolved), when they were going around telling people that Turkey is joining the EU and that heir entire population would move to the UK (not happening and almost certainly never going to happen).

The leave campaign was the real Project Fear, and it looks like you swallowed it whole.

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