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Brexit

An open letter to leavers

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 12:54

Dear Leavers

I’m sorry that David Cameron offered us a referendum and promised to respect the outcome, whatever it was.

Unfortunately, he was fucking with you.

He promised that referendum when he didn’t think he stood a cat’s chance in hell of getting a majority, and never thought he’d actually have to deliver on it. When he got his surprise majority, he made a big show of going to Brussels and pretending to negotiate with the EU to get us a “better deal”. Unfortunately, he already knew perfectly well that the UK already had a better deal than any other country in the EU, and that they were not going to bend over backwards to get us to stay. So he made a big show of negotiating and then tried to pretend that he had done something meaningful. He then went through the motions of holding a referendum, half-heartedly campaigning to remain. He did absolutely no contingency planning, partly because he never believed that leave would actually win, and partly because he already knew that he had no intention of staying to deal with the fallout if they did. That’s why he resigned the day after the referendum and waltzed off, whistling a merry tune.

He played a high risk game of poker with our money, and lost.

I understand that many of you feel defensive about your decision and dislike being labelled “thick” by angry remainers. As a remainer myself, I feel saddened and frustrated that none of you seem able to articulate any benefits that will actually come out of Brexit. But at this stage, I would quite happily accept that there will be no benefits, and settle for damage limitation. Unfortunately none of you seem able to explain how we limit the damage either.

We cannot leave the single market and customs union without there being a hard border in Ireland, which will put people’s lives at risk. We cannot leave the single market and customs union without severely damaging most sectors of the economy, which would cause untold hardship for millions of people living in the UK. I realise that remaining in the single market and customs union would make leaving the EU pointless, but it is the only way to limit the damage.

The government has made almost no progress towards getting a workable deal in place, and time is running out. We don’t have the infrastructure in place to ensure that supply chains of essential food and medicine will not be disrupted after Brexit day. We don’t have a plan to ensure that planes will still be able to take off and land, or that satnav will still work. We do not have any trade deals lined up. We simply do not have time to do any of these things.

Dear leavers, you do not have solutions to any of these problems, and more importantly, neither do Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Andrea Leadsom, Daniel Hannan, Jeremy Corbyn, Kate Hoey or any of the people who claim to think Brexit is the right choice for the UK.

A no-deal Brexit is unthinkable. It is not an option.

I realise that many of you will feel betrayed if we do not get the kind of Brexit you want. But to be honest, you’re going to feel betrayed even if you do get the kind of Brexit you want, because it will be unimaginably shit. This is not "project fear", it is "project reality".

The government has a duty to act in the best interests of the country as a whole. It’s not good enough to lay the blame at David Cameron’s door and say he held the referendum so we have to respect the vote. David Cameron has been out of office for two years. It is now plainer than ever that leaving the EU is a terrible idea, and there is still time to put the brakes on and not go through with it. If the government goes through with this when they could put a stop to it, they cannot continue to blame David Cameron and claim that their hands were tied. They are not.

It is time for Theresa May to do the decent thing and say, “I’m sorry, I know it’s what the people voted for, but it simply can’t be done without causing a totally unacceptable amount of harm to the country. And I have a duty of care towards everyone, not just the 51.8% who voted leave.”

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Bearbehind · 03/08/2018 20:05

Bugger- wrong thread!

LoveInTokyo · 03/08/2018 20:30

OP, your original post is both smug and hysterical!

But, unfortunately, also correct.

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Headfullofdreams · 03/08/2018 20:38

Well said Op.

I am so bloody furious that my parents/ brothers and in laws were brainwashed by the Fail and the media and still are being! I despair.

Mishappening · 03/08/2018 21:50

Using the words Leavers and Remainers implies that both groups are homogeneous. They are not - the shades of opinion within each "group" are very diverse. Seeing them in black and white debases any debate.

SoloD · 03/08/2018 21:51

@Walkingdeadfangirl

Your analysis of remainers is rather offensive. I suspect that might have been the point.

All countries pool a degree of sovereignty. We and the US are part of NATO for example, never hear that complained about. There are things which there is a strong rational do this.

The Single market has been very good for the UK. It creates a lot of jobs. Jobs which will go with Brexit (my own company is losing 20% of our staff).

I would be very interested to know what you think is so cage like about the EU. What laws do you think we can do without. Our company exports around 50% of our products to the EU, so we will follow EU rules what ever the outcome of Brexit.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 03/08/2018 22:00

SoloD oh you noticed. Do you think its as offensive as the analysis of Brexiteers? I dont think it even comes close.

What laws do you think we can do without
We can do without them ALL, the UK is more than capable of passing ts own laws.

Cattenberg · 03/08/2018 22:09

When I was 19, I was unemployed and didn't have much work experience, so I answered a job advert in the local paper asking for Brits to go and work in the Netherlands. It was tough at times, but I stayed for nearly two years and met several Brits, Irish, Portuguese and Spaniards who were doing the same. The Netherlands was crying out for workers back then.

I always planned to live and work in another EU country at some point, but might not get the chance now. DD might not get the chance either. And given the cost of university tuition fees in England, it would be great if she could study in certain EU countries where tuition fees are much lower (but normally only for EU citizens, alas).

The idea that stopping immigration increases the number of jobs for British citizens isn't correct. The economy just doesn't work that way. I saw someone on another website argue that we would all be richer after Brexit, because we would have the same GDP divided between fewer people. No, we would not.

SoloD · 03/08/2018 22:15

@Walkingdeadfangirl

I am sure you are right, but Brexit is costing us tens of billions a year, we have lost 2.3% of our GDP, thousands of jobs have gone, hundreds of thousands more may go. You want us out because of EU laws. Now which EU laws so offends you it is worth the cost we are paying.

Moussemoose · 03/08/2018 22:26

When asked which laws in particular many Brexit supporters mention red tape and H&S.

Red tape and H&S saves lives, the working time directive saves lives, this is essential legislation. Don't just dismiss it.

SoloD · 03/08/2018 22:47

Deathening silence after my last question.

Peregrina · 03/08/2018 23:10

We can do without ALL laws can we? Even those that the UK thought were a good idea and took to the EU to get the other countries to adopt?

Or is it that slogans are just too easy, but when it comes down to it, you don't have a clue?

Doubletrouble99 · 03/08/2018 23:53

I can think of a few regulations I've come across that we can do without. The first affect carers and the assessment forms used by SWers where the head of our SW dept. told me that the very poor 'new' forms were having to be used because of EU rules and regulations and that in fact what the SWs were going to do to get around this was to fill in the 'old' forms with the carer and the transpose the answers on the 'new' forms back in the office!!
The other is with regard to council procurement procedures. I am chair of a local trust who bid for funding for various projects sometimes through the council. We and the other trusts try our very best not to have to use council procurement rules and regulations as you can very easily be tied up in EU regulations for ages - which can be extremely restricting and not relevant for our relatively small amounts of grant money.

Raven88 · 04/08/2018 00:02

I voted leave because of new EU legislation that would affect my job. In my job I don't get a break but I get down time and the l legislation would mean leaving the premises every 7 hours for 20 minutes. It would mean I would probably end up working double the amount of days as I do 15 hours as a support worker in people's homes and bringing someone in for breaks wouldn't work.

If the government really believed that it would ruin the UK they wouldn't of let us vote.

akerman · 04/08/2018 00:13

Could you post a link to that EU legislation, raven? I haven't seen it. I'm afraid the government cares far more about the Tory party than the good of the UK. I don't share your optimism about them.

Raven88 · 04/08/2018 00:22

@akerman eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1494930833556&uri=CELEX:52017DC0254

It was already implemented in some councils close to me. It caused problems.

Raven88 · 04/08/2018 00:24

ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=706&langId=en&intPageId=205 hopefully this one works

Raven88 · 04/08/2018 00:26

It's under working time directive sorry links aren't working.

Cobblersandhogwash · 04/08/2018 00:31

If the government really believed it would ruin the U.K., thy wouldn't have let us vote.

  1. Thy didn't believe Leave would win. Thy did. By dishonest means but they "won".
  1. Those in government still agitating for no deal Brexshit are after a special kind of situation. It's known as disaster capitalism. And if you think the likes of Gove, Fox, Davis, Johnson and Rees-Mogg give a flying fig about you and yours then you're beyond naive.
Raven88 · 04/08/2018 00:38

@Cobblersandhogwash I don't believe anyone in power cares. Maybe they want us to think they thought leave would lose.

akerman · 04/08/2018 01:05

I can't see anything that says workers have to leave the premises every seven hours for twenty minutes. That would be insane.

akerman · 04/08/2018 01:08

Reading through the directives reminds me of why I so much hope we stay though. I fear that these are precisely the things that IDS and JRM are thinking of when they talk of the 'red tape' and 'unnecessary rules' that they want to get rid of. Those are our rights and protections.

caroldecker · 04/08/2018 01:50

many employees hated the fact the were unable to work holidays for extra money. I fully agree employers should offer them, but banning workers from the overtime is wrong.

Peregrina · 04/08/2018 02:11

I suspect that this could be an EU rule where an employer decides to impose extra rules, or in other cases the UK Govt interprets the rules overstrictly. It's such a convenient excuse to blame the EU for shoddy work practices.

caroldecker · 04/08/2018 02:31

peegrina It is the EU which makes companies offer 4 weeks holiday (good) and forces employees to take it (bad). Companies are breaking the law if employees do not take the holiday.

ragged · 04/08/2018 04:12

Carol, how have YOU been forced to take holiday?

Stats don't bear out what you're saying. I work in an envt where some folk always do huge amounts of overtime plus routinely don't take their regular holiday entitlement. Nobody makes us overwork, some folk just like to.

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