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Brexit

An open letter to leavers

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 12:54

Dear Leavers

I’m sorry that David Cameron offered us a referendum and promised to respect the outcome, whatever it was.

Unfortunately, he was fucking with you.

He promised that referendum when he didn’t think he stood a cat’s chance in hell of getting a majority, and never thought he’d actually have to deliver on it. When he got his surprise majority, he made a big show of going to Brussels and pretending to negotiate with the EU to get us a “better deal”. Unfortunately, he already knew perfectly well that the UK already had a better deal than any other country in the EU, and that they were not going to bend over backwards to get us to stay. So he made a big show of negotiating and then tried to pretend that he had done something meaningful. He then went through the motions of holding a referendum, half-heartedly campaigning to remain. He did absolutely no contingency planning, partly because he never believed that leave would actually win, and partly because he already knew that he had no intention of staying to deal with the fallout if they did. That’s why he resigned the day after the referendum and waltzed off, whistling a merry tune.

He played a high risk game of poker with our money, and lost.

I understand that many of you feel defensive about your decision and dislike being labelled “thick” by angry remainers. As a remainer myself, I feel saddened and frustrated that none of you seem able to articulate any benefits that will actually come out of Brexit. But at this stage, I would quite happily accept that there will be no benefits, and settle for damage limitation. Unfortunately none of you seem able to explain how we limit the damage either.

We cannot leave the single market and customs union without there being a hard border in Ireland, which will put people’s lives at risk. We cannot leave the single market and customs union without severely damaging most sectors of the economy, which would cause untold hardship for millions of people living in the UK. I realise that remaining in the single market and customs union would make leaving the EU pointless, but it is the only way to limit the damage.

The government has made almost no progress towards getting a workable deal in place, and time is running out. We don’t have the infrastructure in place to ensure that supply chains of essential food and medicine will not be disrupted after Brexit day. We don’t have a plan to ensure that planes will still be able to take off and land, or that satnav will still work. We do not have any trade deals lined up. We simply do not have time to do any of these things.

Dear leavers, you do not have solutions to any of these problems, and more importantly, neither do Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Andrea Leadsom, Daniel Hannan, Jeremy Corbyn, Kate Hoey or any of the people who claim to think Brexit is the right choice for the UK.

A no-deal Brexit is unthinkable. It is not an option.

I realise that many of you will feel betrayed if we do not get the kind of Brexit you want. But to be honest, you’re going to feel betrayed even if you do get the kind of Brexit you want, because it will be unimaginably shit. This is not "project fear", it is "project reality".

The government has a duty to act in the best interests of the country as a whole. It’s not good enough to lay the blame at David Cameron’s door and say he held the referendum so we have to respect the vote. David Cameron has been out of office for two years. It is now plainer than ever that leaving the EU is a terrible idea, and there is still time to put the brakes on and not go through with it. If the government goes through with this when they could put a stop to it, they cannot continue to blame David Cameron and claim that their hands were tied. They are not.

It is time for Theresa May to do the decent thing and say, “I’m sorry, I know it’s what the people voted for, but it simply can’t be done without causing a totally unacceptable amount of harm to the country. And I have a duty of care towards everyone, not just the 51.8% who voted leave.”

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LoveInTokyo · 03/08/2018 17:38

Not liking Boris Johnson is an entirely sensible point of view IMO.

;)

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SoloD · 03/08/2018 17:40

@Rosstac

4% is considered the "natural rate" of unemployment and considered effective full employment. Less than that and there are problems filling vacancies.
www.investopedia.com/video/play/natural-unemployment/

Many UK firms complain about finding sufficient numbers of qualified people and there has been a trend of UK tech startups looking to move abroad to find the skilss they need.

LoveInTokyo · 03/08/2018 17:41

You are very much in the minority among Remainers.

See, I would say the same about leavers.

But maybe this is what it comes down to in the end. Very few people, whether they voted leave or remain, had enough knowledge or information to make an informed decision. Most people were trusting both campaigns to tell the truth.

Ultimately I think we are where we are because politicians do not listen to people and they do not care enough about their needs to create a society that people are happy with.

Brexit is not fixing the flaws in our society; it is exposing them.

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Bearbehind · 03/08/2018 17:43

pauline we all understand that there were some spurious reason for deciding to vote on both sides however it is interesting you feel that a Remainers should be able to list benefits of Brexit when you clearly can't.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 03/08/2018 17:55

Most remainers seem to live in a gilded cage wanting everything done for them and full of fear that they will have to leave it. Fear they cant cope without EU money, fear of losing the EU people to do their jobs for them, fear of losing the EU bureaucrats to do their paperwork for them, fear of losing EU Judges to tell them what their values are, fear of losing EU politicians to overrule our government whom they don't like. And they are afraid of reprisals if we dare to leave.

Leavers dont care if the cage is gilded or not, its still a cage and we want to get out. We are not afraid, we are hopeful, we are ready to roll up our sleeves and build a brighter future. We dont expect it to be done for us, we are not afraid of hard work. We dont care if the ride will be bumpy at first, we are British and will overcome any adversity because the goal is worth it. We might not know exactly what the future will look like but we are not going to give up just because a few people are afraid.

PestymcPestFace · 03/08/2018 18:04

No WalkingDead you have no clue what most remainers think or what the EU does

jasjas1973 · 03/08/2018 18:06

Rosstac.. i do understand where you are coming from, i also consider voting leave, i am not some EUphile, where the EU can do no wrong!

BUT the issues you raise could be changed over night by the UK Government, they could have tax breaks for training, the retirement age could be graduated, freeing up jobs for the young, instead we are told to work into our late 60s! far more could be done to encourage FE colleges and technical training.
The EU doesnt stop us doing any of this, in-fact being in the EU gives workers rights the UK Gov would love to remove, it is why they are all so keen on brexit.
e.g my HR rep recently told me that post brexit the first thing they were looking to do was "evolve" their working time directive policy!

Cobblersandhogwash · 03/08/2018 18:09

I think you'll find most Remainers consider the EU far from perfect.

Cobblersandhogwash · 03/08/2018 18:12

@Walkingdeadfangirl what utter tosh you talk about a "gilded cage".

It's about operating in a trade bloc it's about facilitating trade and all its operations as smoothly and efficiently as possible.

Hardly a gilded cage.

Leavers paint themselves as such heroes, don't they?

When in reality they are deluded. Utterly deluded.

PestymcPestFace · 03/08/2018 18:25

Cobblers I don't think WalkingDead is very representative of leavers.

FE does focus training on skills needed in the local area. The sector is deeply underfunded. The government is not planning to replace the EU funding that the FE sector receives, they have asked the sector to find ways of saving money.

Our press and government has painted an entirely false picture of the EU. However, the EU also operates under a transparency policy so you can see what it is doing and contact anyone you wish to. Us having UKIP members there has deeply undermined our position. It is not perfect, it is a large powerful trading block that we could choose to participate fully in. FFS you can smoke in pubs in Austria, one friend informs me that although you cannot smoke in pubs in Spain, you can in the supermarket Confused. Most the reasons for leaving given are the responsibility of our government and blaming the EU is a cope out. It is the UK parliamentary system that needs reforming.

Our press can also be disgraceful. But we speak English and have the ability to access news from the whole planet.

Bearbehind · 03/08/2018 18:28

What utter nonsense fangirl

Leavers do expect everything to be done for them.

I've lost count of the number I've heard say 'I only had to put my cross n a box'

You might think your comments make you sound big and brave but they don't, they are foolish and arrogant.

Quietrebel · 03/08/2018 18:34

'@fangirl' brexit is all about turning the UK into a low tax economy. There is nothing heroic behind it, no lofty ideals...

falcon5 · 03/08/2018 18:35

Walking dead . . I voted leave (which I suppose makes me a leaver) and I never did think like that. And if I am now "a remainer" (Because I have changed my mind) it hasn't been due to some kind of bizarre change in my work ethic over the past 2 years but because as I have learnt more about a bunch of subjects that frankly I previously had no need to know about Ive come to a different conclusion. Trying to ascribe all these other characteristics to people purely based on how they voted once is an absolute nonsense. There will be BOTH remainers and leavers who are selfish / altruistic, informed / not informed etc etc. It's pure tribalism to act like "your people" are.good ones and the other ones are bad.

Peregrina · 03/08/2018 18:39

we are ready to roll up our sleeves and build a brighter future. We dont expect it to be done for us, we are not afraid of hard work.

Ha, bl**dy ha. I don't know what individual posters are doing to roll up their sleeves and build a brighter future. We haven't heard of any constructive suggestions e.g. I have started a business and am training up xx number of unemployed people.

Leaving them aside, what about the wonderful leaders of Leave? Johnson? Clears off to play cricket, and when appointed to a responsible position of Foreign Secretary singularly failed to rise to the task.
Gove - not hear much from him lately.
Farage - will leave the country.
Rees-Mogg, Redwood - making mighty sure that their money is invested outside the UK.

I haven't heard of one of these saying that they are touring the country to ask Leave voters what their real problems are and how they can begin to ameliorate them. When we hear something like this then I will believe that " we are rolling up our sleeves" and "we are not afraid of hard work".

Thesuzle · 03/08/2018 18:47

CHRIST ON A BIKE OP calm the f down and think, this its not a “sky will fall in “ situation
Go to your local mp and get some decent facts

UnnecessaryFennel · 03/08/2018 18:49

Anyone else picturing fangirl wrapped in a Union Flag, standing on the white cliffs of Dover above the 25-mile tailback with the wind whipping her hair and Elgar playing in the background?

Nope. Me neither. What a complete bunch of tosh you do come out with, fangirl.

Bearbehind · 03/08/2018 18:49

What is your basis for that comment thesuzle?

MrsChollySawcutt · 03/08/2018 19:00

Fangirl you are suffering from delusions of grandeur and embarrassing yourself.

Thesuzle what facts are you expecting the OPs MP to provide?

LoveInTokyo · 03/08/2018 19:11

My MP is Jeremy Hunt so he’s about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

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TheElementsSong · 03/08/2018 19:16

"Roll up our sleeves/ hard work/ building future" = Squeezing eyes shut and chasing "Wingardium leviosa" and "Accio unicorns" 🦄 then blaming other people for not believing in unicorns or chanting enough.

Downtheroadfirstonleft · 03/08/2018 19:31

OP, your original post is both smug and hysterical!

jasjas1973 · 03/08/2018 19:52

Go to your local mp and get some decent facts

I did just that and asked (Brexitier Tory) Scott Mann MP.... he said and i quote "Leaving the EU will allow us to reset housing policy, enabling us to provide housing for the young and the not so well off...."

He failed to explain how the EU, which has absolutely no say in member state housing policy, stops us from doing that right now....

To be fair to him, he is in favour of more social ie council housing.

Bearbehind · 03/08/2018 19:57

I don't think I'll ever get my head around the fact Leavers see a completely different reality to Remainers.

Based on thesuzles comment you'd think there was reams and reams of facts which say how positive Brexit will be.

However, the complete opposite is actually the case.

There's nothing positive being published about Brexit, at best it's about damage limitation.

I simply can't see how this gap can be bridged when one side is not based in reality and resolutely refuses to acknowledge that.

Bearbehind · 03/08/2018 20:04

Bugger, un-tardy. If that's even a word!