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Westminstenders: In the Brexit Lane

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RedToothBrush · 02/08/2018 09:25

I honestly couldn't think of a better starter to the thread than simply just this tweet

Robert Peston @ peston
We’ve got an official opposition tearing itself apart over antisemitism, the founder of the EDL running rings around the judiciary and a government negotiating a Brexit plan that its own MPs and ministers tell me is dead. When will we pull ourselves together, as a nation?

But don't worry, your blue passport will get you an extra special long wait at passport control. And no deal could lead to continued freedom of movement anyway. Something for everyone in there.

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Buteo · 05/08/2018 21:50

Just a wee reminder of Rees-Mogg’s father’s book:

"The time to buy is when blood is running in the streets," said Nathan Rothschild, who, in 1815, amassed one of the largest trading fortunes ever recorded. Based on Rothschild's theories, James Dale Davidson and Lord Rees-Mogg have created a roadmap to understanding the relationship between politics, the mechanics of the investment markets and the way people respond in a crisis. They uncover hidden meaning behind current affairs and suggest ways of capitalizing on events such as the coming Latin-American default on US loans and a possible world depression caused by an earthquake in Japan. Their financial newsletter, "Strategic Investment", based on this principle, had a speculative portfolio from 1984 to 1986 which averaged an annual growth of 252%.

Westminstenders: In the Brexit Lane
BigChocFrenzy · 05/08/2018 22:07

Forbes wondered about Mogg:
"How did a cautious and conservative investment manager become the most reckless person on the planet?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2018/02/09/the-mystery-of-jacob-rees-moggs-recklessness/#37e6ff5148ca

lljkk · 05/08/2018 22:27

If we get No Deal I am A) stockpiling in January B) blaming all Leave voters. And no one BUT Leave voters.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/08/2018 22:30

Government leaking its opinions on Brexit deal Confused
Different opinions that is - pick one ...

Theresa May confident of reaching Brexit deal, sources say
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/05/theresa-may-confident-of-reaching-brexit-deal-sources-say

Liam Fox says no-deal Brexit now more likely than an agreement
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/05/liam-fox-says-no-deal-brexit-now-more-likely-than-an-agreement

Chaos Unlimited

KennDodd · 05/08/2018 22:36

blaming all Leave voters. And no one BUT Leave voters

Me too. After all they keep insisting they're not stupid and they know what they voted for. Well this mess is what they voted for.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/08/2018 22:40

Brexit starting to hurt manufacturing industry, as they try to plan for JIT supply delays

  • storage costs money, which is why they all switched to JIT many years ago.

the plane-maker Bombardier said that stockpiling parts to mitigate the impact of a no-deal Brexit would cost its Belfast business up to £30m.

Michael Ryan, the head of the firm’s Northern Ireland operation, said spending such a sum to store goods is “not how we can afford to run a business” and is “cash that I don’t have”.

Torygraph:
" BMW is hunting for land in the SE the size of 4 football pitches to stockpile car parts as it steps u p preparations for Brexit"

falcon5 · 05/08/2018 23:06

Why not also blame the people who decided to put this question out to people in the form they chose....

SwedishEdith · 05/08/2018 23:08

I hope none of you have career aspirations for you or your daughters.

Westminstenders: In the Brexit Lane
SingingBabooshkaBadly · 05/08/2018 23:08

blaming all Leave voters. And no one BUT Leave voters

Me too. After all they keep insisting they're not stupid and they know what they voted for. Well this mess is what they voted for.

No matter how bad the outcome they will never accept they have brought it about. It will always be the fault of the EU for bullying, for refusing to move on their red lines. It will be the fault of the Tory rebels. It will be the fault of unpatriotic Remoaners. It will be everyone’s fault but those who have brought it about.

A few weeks ago I didn’t think I could feel any worse about the situation. How wrong I was...

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 05/08/2018 23:11

Why not also blame the people who decided to put this question out to people in the form they chose....

Quite. I know just who’s at the top of my blame list. Ham-faced knob.

prettybird · 05/08/2018 23:14

Why should it be women giving up work? Confused

Are men not capable of looking after their parents? Hmm

SwedishEdith · 05/08/2018 23:21

Are men not capable of looking after their parents?

Of course not!

Buteo · 05/08/2018 23:28

Are men not capable of looking after their parents?

It’s the Torygraph. Welcome back to 1950s Britain.

thecatfromjapan · 05/08/2018 23:34

Realistically, though, it does tend to fall on women, as will many of the effects of Brexit fall disproportionately on women- and poorer women at that.

Not that I'm excusing the headline: resisting that role of unpaid carer is what we must collectively do.

Fuck 'em. We didn't vote for this shit. We must resist.

prettybird · 05/08/2018 23:35

We only have a ds. He is 17.

I suppose I'd better make sure he doesn't marry a career woman. Wink

not that he's even had a girl friend yet Hmm to my knowledge Wink

thecatfromjapan · 05/08/2018 23:37

In other news, the light of hope of a credible Opposition to this madness grows ever more feeble.

Labour Twitter is a complete nightmare tonight, as the rabid Corbynites bay for Tom Watson's blood.
No real link but a search for Tom Watson should give a taste if (somehow) you've missed it.

This coming after an attack on a Left-wing bookshop, in Central London in broad daylight.

It's insane.

thecatfromjapan · 05/08/2018 23:41

And the people tweeting #resignWatson are effectively going to be in control of the Party pretty soon (NEC vote; then Conference and 'making Party mor accountable' changes).

thecatfromjapan · 05/08/2018 23:45

And I can't help but think this is a crucial element preventing the brakes being applied to Brexit.

  1. Only desperate or very committed people are going to vote for a Party with these folks in charge.
So there is a powerful force to endure people will be desperate.
  1. It's not exactly an incentive for Conservative moderates to vote against their Party, is it?

Honestly. This is so. So horrible.

Apileofballyhoo · 06/08/2018 00:00

I can't believe the Labour Party are in such a mess. Honestly feel like giving them all a good shake.

SwedishEdith · 06/08/2018 00:10

Stuart Wilks-Heeg
@StuartWilksHeeg
Just realised what the 7pm “twitterstorm“ directed at the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party reminded me of. It’s the Two Minute Hate in Orwell’s 1984. Still, I guess Orwell was a Blairite too. I mean, his actual name was literally Eric Blair.

Quietrebel · 06/08/2018 04:22

Final Say petition still going but slowing down (just when there should be more pressure on the government to reach a good deal or pull the plug-not less)

BigChocFrenzy · 06/08/2018 06:39

Falcon I agree; the ultimate culprit is Cameron, for calling a referendum for purely party political reasons,
when Leave would affect the economy for decades to come
and even government ministers & MPs don't / didn't have sufficient knowledge to adequately assess the implications.

His decision was outrageously risky - but I suspect he also didn't fully understand the risk
but a PM shouldn't take unnecessary actions for oarty politics from a position of ignorance.

Most voters could reasonably assume they would not be given a choice to leave if failure to teach a good deal

  • or indeed anything but Norway+ - would seriously risk not just a recession, but decades of serious economic damage and falling living standards.
BigChocFrenzy · 06/08/2018 06:41

2nd culprit is May, who - again for party political reasons -
chose from the beginning of her premiership to pander to the Uktras in her party and lean towards most extreme form of Brexit

BigChocFrenzy · 06/08/2018 06:43

Tory voters as distinct from members are traditionally a loyal bunch to their leader
and they still trust May on Brexit far more than her potential Tory leadership rivals:

MORI (24 July)
"How much, if at all, do you trust each of the following to make the right decisions for Britain about its exit from the European Union?"
[Tory voters only: trust - distrust]

Theresa May [72 – 26 = +46]
Jacob Rees-Mogg [48 – 32 = +16]
Boris Johnson [46 – 50 = -6]
Phillip Hammond [47 – 45 = +2]

BigChocFrenzy · 06/08/2018 06:46

Polls seem to have stopped over the heatwave !

Last ones showed VI is still neck & neck, Tory vs Labour, with LDems slightly higher around 10% and UKIP still v minor party:

YouGov/Times (20th Jul) – CON 38%, LAB 39%, LDEM 9%, UKIP 6%
ICM/Guardian (22nd Jul) – CON 40%, LAB 41%, LDEM 8%, UKIP 5%
YouGov/Times (23rd Jul) – CON 38%, LAB 38%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 6%
Ipsos MORI/Standard (24th Jul) – CON 38%, LAB 38%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 6%