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OK, lets put it this way, what do we want done?

628 replies

Clairetree1 · 01/08/2018 20:02

Its all going so badly and everyone is worried, but what can be done?

Do we want another referendum and the whole Brexit thing aborted? Do we want another leader doing something different? Do we think Teresa May is doing everything that can be done?

I say "do we think" but to be honest, I don't think anything either way of Teresa May, I don't know what to think.

I don't know what could make things better at this stage

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Ihatemycar · 02/08/2018 16:38

@LoveInTokyo you are beyond help. Nothing it's going to change your mind other that soft, water down, diluted Brexit what you want it's to stay in the EU for some incomprehensible reason.
I really don't understand how people can have so little faith in Britain and so much love for the EU.
We are leaving end of story. Democracy it's a bitch I for you I guess. EnvyConfused

bellinisurge · 02/08/2018 16:40

@Ihatemycar - are you putting any food by just in case we have No Deal. How strong is your faith?

PestymcPestFace · 02/08/2018 16:41

So Ihatemycar what is the solution to the Irish problem?

Ihatemycar · 02/08/2018 16:45

@Moussemoose

I am sure you are aware that the U.K. parliament is sovereign and the referendum was advisory. It wasn't it was a referendum stay or leave.

I am sure you are aware we had the same 'voice' in the EU as every member state via a democratic system. We didn't nothing ever changed the EU is not a democracy.

I am also sure you aware the term Great Britain does not include Northern Ireland. Really???? Of course Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain. Please google before you write. No wonder we the 17.4 had to do vote to save us all.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (to give its full name) refers to the political union between England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. The UK is a sovereign state, but the nations that make it up are also countries in their own right.

Ihatemycar · 02/08/2018 16:48

@bellinisurge not buying anything extra. Have faith that Great Britain it's bigger and stronger and soon to be a global super power.

bellinisurge · 02/08/2018 16:49

@Ihatemycar Hooray!!!

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 16:49

Ihatemycar

I really think you should go away and read a book or two before posting such uninformed nonsense.

KennDodd · 02/08/2018 16:50

So Ihatemycar what is the solution to the Irish problem?

I don't think I've ever met a Leaver who gives a shiny shit about the Irish border (or Gibraltar) they'll all without a care sacrifice the peace in NI. A sobering thought for you. The GFA (voted for by the Irish people in a ref) is thought to have saved 2,000 lives. It's been in place for 20 years and before that an average of 100 people a year were killed in the troubles.

Peregrina · 02/08/2018 16:50

Twaddle - Northern Ireland is not part of the island of Great Britain (compare with little Britain i.e. Brittany. )

Since the UK Parliament is sovereign just what were those Leavers who wanted 'Sovereignty' voting for?

The Referendum was Advisory - had it not been the legislation would have said so. It did not.

Ihatemycar · 02/08/2018 16:51

@PestymcPestFace the Northern Irish problem it's only a problem if they want to make it a problem. There are many countries that have electronic borders that allow people to live in peace with each other.

Moussemoose · 02/08/2018 16:51

@Ihatemycar

Yes I know the name is Great Britain and Northern Ireland I just wasn't sure you did as you didn't use the Northern Ireland bit. That's why I always use the term U.K. so as not offend people.

The referendum absolutely was advisory as parliament is sovereign. You can say it's not true but you are wrong.

The EU is a democratic institution. Again you simply stating it isn't doesn't make something true.

I can walk to my window and insist the sky is heliotrope but that doesn't make it true.

Sorry to get in the way of your points with some of those pesky facts.

Peregrina · 02/08/2018 16:51

Perhaps we will be told about the 'island' of Gibraltar next.

KennDodd · 02/08/2018 16:53

Really???? Of course Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain.

Great Britain is the island of Britain, the 'Great' part is to distinguish it from Brittiany. NI is part of the UK although I concede that GB is often used as shorthand mean the UK, it's not correct though.

Ihatemycar · 02/08/2018 16:53

@Peregrina really????? Gosh I'm glad we educated ourselves and voted out.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (to give its full name) refers to the political union between England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. The UK is a sovereign state, but the nations that make it up are also countries in their own right.

Of course Northern Ireland it's part of Great Britain ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused

Moussemoose · 02/08/2018 16:56

The thing is @Ihatemycar we don't know what you know and what you don't know.

You make a statement saying the EU is not a democracy when it quite clearly is and that may make posters think you are not aware of other facts like the referendum was advisory.

bellinisurge · 02/08/2018 16:56

"It's only a problem if they want to make it a problem ". Who's "they" here. The NI people who voted for Remain? Ireland - backed up by the EU?
@Ihatemycar - who's "they" . And how do BeLeavers sort it?

Ihatemycar · 02/08/2018 16:57

@Peregrina Gibraltar also British. Please read a geography book. Look at a map. Google.
We are not geographically together but Northern Ireland it's absolutely part of the United Kingdom.

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 16:58

The Northern Irish problem it's only a problem if they want to make it a problem. There are many countries that have electronic borders that allow people to live in peace with each other.

I hate to burst your bubble, but it is a massive problem for:

  1. People whose land is on both sides of the border.
  2. People who live on one side and work on the other side.
  3. People who live on one side and go to school on the other side.
  4. People who use roads which go back and forth across the border as many as 30 times.
  5. People who live or may at some point be in the vicinity of other people who will massively kick off if a border is reinstated (or different people who will massively kick off if there is a border in the Irish sea).

To name a few.

Point 5 includes probably most of the population of Northern Ireland. Thousands of people died in the Troubles. The GFA was intended to put a stop to all that, and it did.

Is our freedom to leave the single market and customs union for reasons which have never been properly explained other than that it is "the will of the people" worth risking people's lives for? Do those people matter less because they happen to live in Northern Ireland and you don't?

Ihatemycar · 02/08/2018 16:59

The referendum wasn't advisory at all. It was Stay or Leave. Nothing else.
We voted to leave. Like it or lump it.

bellinisurge · 02/08/2018 17:00

It was advisory. It really was.

PestymcPestFace · 02/08/2018 17:01

There is a little matter of Northern Ireland Peace Agreement (a UN peace agreement) which was written in the context of all parties being in the EU. Ihatemycar any suggestions for how to rewrite it to make your solution work?

KennDodd · 02/08/2018 17:01

Of course Northern Ireland it's part of Great Britain

I remember a poster a long time ago insisting that the reason Remain won in areas with high EU immigration was because EU nationals would have voted Remain in the ref. I told her they couldn't vote in the ref, she didn't believe it. I showed her the gov list of who could vote (.gov website) she still didn't believe it and insisted this was the reason Remain won in those areas. I just don't know what you can say to so people, no amount of evidence will convince them.

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 17:02

Oh and it's probably worth mentioning at this point that the situation in Northern Ireland - and indeed the very existence of Northern Ireland - is a direct consequence of British imperialism.

Given that it is the British who caused all this mess in Ireland/Northern Ireland in the first place, it will be poetic justice if "this mess in Northern Ireland" stops the UK from leaving the single market and customs union. And on the flip side, it will be doubly unjust and outrageous if the UK lets all the trouble in Northern Ireland flare up again because it insists on leaving the single market and customs union.

God.

No wonder so many people hate us.

KennDodd · 02/08/2018 17:03

Northern Ireland it's absolutely part of the United Kingdom.

Yes, but that's not what you said, you said (repeatedly) that it was part of Britain.

bellinisurge · 02/08/2018 17:14

Ok @Ihatemycar , you've solved the NI border problem by trotting our the same old same old and ignoring reality. It's obviously a winning formula for you. How are you going to fix the divisiveness in the rest of the UK? Are we just going to start agreeing with you? Good luck with that.

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