OK, lets put it this way, what do we want done?

[Clairetree1]

Its all going so badly and everyone is worried, but what can be done?

Do we want another referendum and the whole Brexit thing aborted? Do we want another leader doing something different? Do we think Teresa May is doing everything that can be done?

I say "do we think" but to be honest, I don't think anything either way of Teresa May, I don't know what to think.

I don't know what could make things better at this stage

The referendum was advisory. Our government could have ignored it but it would be political suicide so we know whose best interests they have at heart just as Cameron offered the referendum in the first place to stop Tory voters haemorrhaging to UKIP. Now they have invoked A50 there is no going back, the EU won't allow it.

I personally wish every leave voter suffers the consequences of this in bucketloads. I cannot see how anyone thinks this is a good thing and no leave voter seems to be able to articulate their reasons for voting other than meaningless sound bites or misinformation like the money we send to the EU will be saved which is ridiculous. A lot of it came back to the UK by way of grants and subsidies anyway. Any suggestion we will struggle is seen as unpatriotic whereas I would say it is realistic. We no longer have the influence globally as we did centuries ago and our financial position is constrained with high debt, a deficit and contracting economy and falling pound. I think it will take decades to untangle ourselves and all for what?

I am not sure what can be done at this stage though and am past caring really. I won't be booking any flights until after March 2019 and I am convinced they have an answer to the air traffic situation. We won't be stockpiling food etc but luckily we are not on the breadline. Those are the ones which will suffer. The only people to blame are the ones who voted for it though.

I wish I could ride above wishing consequences on those who voted Leave, but I just can't. I really hope that it fails spectacularly for at least a decade.

Every time I read a brexiteers crap, my heart sinks lower.

They really are just full of meaningless slogans. They don’t even realise it themselves. It’s tragic.

We had a solution to NI. It was called the Good Friday Agreement. It demonstrably worked.

Like I said before just because you don't think the referendum was advisory doesn't make you right. Saying it lots of times in bold doesn't make you right. EVEN IF YOU USE CAPITALS YOU ARE STILL WRONG.

@KennDodd get a book, learn something please. You are picking on semantics.
Part of it's perfectly self explanatory for people that know a bit of geography.

@Moussemoose you wish I were wrong. I'm NOT.

There is a little matter of Northern Ireland Peace Agreement (a UN peace agreement) which was written in the context of all parties being in the EU. Ihatemycar any suggestions for how to rewrite it to make your solution work?

You can't ask Leavers for solutions, a unicorn will die.

Ihatemycar, you are the one who needs to read a book, because pretty much everything you have posted in this thread is just wrong.

Like I keep on saying: in the U.K. Parliament is sovereign it can do what it wants.

Ihatemycar
Please explain, with reference to constitutional precedent, why Parliament can not ignore the referendum.

Please remember it is key to the U.K. constitution that Parliament can not be bound. I refer you to the law in regard to fixed parliamentary terms. They were fixed until Parliament changed its mind.

Alternatively, you could stamp your foot and cry.

@Moussemoose

Please explain, with reference to constitutional precedent, why Parliament can not ignore the referendum. Because unconstitutional.

Please remember it is key to the U.K. constitution that Parliament can not be bound. I refer you to the law in regard to fixed parliamentary terms. They were fixed until Parliament changed its mind. We live in a democracy parliament works as our representatives.

Alternatively, you could stamp your foot and cry. I'll leave that to the remoaners.

@TheMonkeyMummy
I wish I could ride above wishing consequences on those who voted Leave, but I just can't. I really hope that it fails spectacularly for at least a decade.

That's the spirit. It's like wishing the pilot to die while we are on board a plane. We are in this together.
Well let's enjoy the next 10 miserable failing years together 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

We live in a democracy parliament works as our representatives

We live in a representative democracy. We elect individuals, not political parties. An MP votes according to their conscience and may choose to take a party whip.

MP's do not have to do exactly as their constituents want. The example I always give is capital punishment. It was abolished in 1965 despite the majority of the public supporting it. A referendum was not held because politicians knew the public would not vote to abolish.

Each MP has a responsibility to the good of the country first. The U.K. Parliament, often described as an 'elective dictatorship', can overrule or change pretty much anything.

I know this is confusing but referenda bind legislatures in direct democracies like Ireland or Switzerland. We are not a direct democracy.

Parliament can not be bound even by previous laws made in parliament.

You think the referendum should be binding. It is arguable that what you think is morally correct but legally the referendum was not binding.

Apologies to everyone who has read this many, many times before.

Ok trick question - which part of our constitution makes ignoring an advisory referendum unconstitutional?

@Ihatemycar nah, I live in Switzerland. Which is an actual democracy, the kind that you think your government is (but it isn't). The Swiss government realized that staying in the SM and capping immigration wasn't compatible, and so they told the Swiss people that. Which is rather logical and clever, in my opinion.

@Ihatemycar but your incredible analogies are really making me laugh. Please, keep them coming!

But back to Brexit, I think the best way to go ahead is to put a Brexiteer in charge. Let them lead the way for their vision.

Otherwise, more votes need to be held. First vote was to leave the EU. Done.

Now, in order to follow the wishes of the people, more information is required. What do people want to achieve? Why did they vote for Brexit? That intelligence needs to be thoroughly analyzed and from then, they can move forward. TM just seems to just be fudging from one error to another, whilst reciting 'its for the will of the people'. Utter tosh.

It makes sense to do it in stages. First a soft Brexit. Then ask people if they want to leave the SM. And the EC, CU etc etc etc. All gradually, over the next decade.

ihatemycar We are not all in this together. This country is divided in case you had not noticed. Some people in this country will have the financial resources to ride out the storm and others don't. Some people's livelihoods rely on companies trading with the EU, others may work in the tourism industry, others may work on HE research projects or other projects funded by the EU. I laugh really when I hear such naivety come out of some leave voters mouths.

The thing is no one knows what will happen as this has never happened before. You can rely on dumb optimism or go the other way and scare yourself into stockpiling food and medicines as some people already are but what makes most of the remainders I have spoken to mad is that this was so unnecessary.

We are stronger as part of the EU, matters of trade, economy, education and research and security are better as part of an EU bloc. As a small isolated country how do you think we can protect ourselves against the likes of China, Russia or USA without being part of the larger club? If you are relying on this shambles of a government or the useless opposition we have then I think you will be disappointed. They don't have a clue.

I don't know whether ihatemycar is trying to bait us, or whether he or she wants to win some sort of prize for making the most stupid posts on MN. Or perhaps is just a know it all 17 year old? Having been told numerous times that Northern Ireland is not Great Britain [hint - the clue is in its name] we are now told something that we all knew all along, that it's part of the United Kingdom, which absolutely no one disputes.
We were then told that Gibraltar was part of Great Britain. No, it's not even part of the United Kingdom - it's a British Overseas Territory. There is a clue in its name as to where it might be situated, given the Arabic origins of its name but you would need to know some of the history of the Iberian peninsula to know about that.

Aye... bit of a dunce.

Oh just fucking stop it. Put an end to this self destructive madness.

As someone else said the Daily Mail will run a couple of articles about the 'will of the people' being betrayed and then will start publsihing articles about the recovery of the UK econonmy. There may be some protests by old people who haven't got the first clue about the EU.

Hardcore leavers will post that they are moving to Dubai. But they won't. My MIL and her sisters have no intention of moving anywhere. Because the won't get paid their pensions!! But they fucking love visiting their niece who lives and works in Spain. They haven't got the first idea of what their leave vote has done to her and her family.

But they fucking love visiting their niece who lives and works in Spain. They haven't got the first idea of what their leave vote has done to her and her family.

If I were her I would tell them they were NFI.

@LoveInTokyo what's NFI?