OK, lets put it this way, what do we want done?

[Clairetree1]

Its all going so badly and everyone is worried, but what can be done?

Do we want another referendum and the whole Brexit thing aborted? Do we want another leader doing something different? Do we think Teresa May is doing everything that can be done?

I say "do we think" but to be honest, I don't think anything either way of Teresa May, I don't know what to think.

I don't know what could make things better at this stage

bellinisurge I don’t know what you mean, come and visit me and let me give you a guided tour and let’s see if your opinion changes with new evidence

greathat Another referendum for what ? We’ve had the one to leave the EU, is the one to accept the deal if we get one or leave on a no deal

Ihatemycar I’m afraid that’s the sort of people some remainers are.

@Rosstac

No love. You've been missold. Time to consider sending back the product for a full refund.

You may vote to keep the broken product or no product if you wish. That's your choice.

Most I believe will vote to send the product back.

It's not the way the world works, it's THE WAY WE HAVE CHOSEN TO DO NOTHING TO IMPLEMENT IT.

That's not what great said at all. You and rosstac just endlessly twist everything.

Rosstac we don't need a tour. I'm assuming from what you've written you live in Lincolnshire. I have relatives there and am familiar with the issues. I live in a city but I travel to other parts of the country. We know what you are posting about we just reject placing the blame on EU immigration when there are lots more credible explanations.

Many posters have agreed that the issues you face are real and troubling. Education needs to be sorted, care for the elderly and the NHS both underfunded.

But Brexit will not sort out these problems. Blaming immigration in times of economic upset is a classic trick of the powerful elites. You are being manipulated.

greathat said nothing about 'wishing' anyone dead.

But then Leavers always have had an issue with separating fact ('Some people who voted Leave will have died since 2016') and fantasy ('I wish people who voted Leave would die').

great didn’t say anything about wishing people to die because they voted to leave. And you call Remainers hysterical.
It is a fact that people over 60 voted by a considerable margin to leave whilst young people (who will have to deal with the fallout of this shitstorm the longest) had a large majority voting remain.
People die. The reality of demographics means that there will be quite a few older Leave voters who have passed away in the last 26 months.
DS1 turned 18 in June. He would definitely vote to remain and, amongst his friends, he doesn’t know anybody who is in favour of leaving the EU.

MrHoolieswaistcoat By what experience in the ways of the world has an 18 yea rold got compared to a very experienced older person ?

By what experience in the ways of the world has an 18 yea rold got compared to a very experienced older person ?

They are not so predjudiced by what they've been conditioned to believe and can actually see things through fresh eyes.

Rosstac experience or knowledge? Which counts more?

That's not how it works, a vote is a vote. Now that is democracy.

Experience of what? Being manipulated by upper class politicians?

Moussemoose im glad that you are aware of the major problems in the area, Past and previous governments have done nothing to help us since FOM really started in 2004-5 and really took hold with labour in power,
If no home government is not wanting to help because of the FOM within CU/SM what are we to do the vote gave us a chance to tell the government we have had enough, its up to them what they do

Bearbehind sure they are not listening to there parents telling how wrong leaving the EU is ?

Moussemoose At 18 have you either ?

@Rosstac

Would you describe somebody who blames immigrants for problems that are not their fault, a racist?

the vote gave us a chance to tell the government we have had enough

No it fucking didn't.

It gave you a chance to decide if you want to stay in the EU or not - that was it.

It did not give you the opportunity to protest about prior decisions that were entirely down to the government.

KennDodd No I would not, I don't know who sets whats racist and whats not, but it could be the fault of the immigrants, but I dontblame them for trying to make a better life for themselves, I blame the system that lets them

Rosstac Young people have grown up with globalisation, many of them will have friends who are immigrants and they don’t have this idea that the U.K. is somehow exceptional and should be treated differently to anybody else. Many of them have probably never heard of the British Empire.
My DD is nearly 16 and far more knowledgeable than my Leave voting DPs are. My DF voted Leave because ‘we managed fine on our own before’ and my DM didn’t think Leave could win but wanted to strengthen Camoron’s hand in negotiating with the EU.
IME many older people (not all by any means) haven’t grasped just how much the world has changed since we joined the EEC.
Young people have never known any different.
Are you suggesting that 18 year olds shouldn’t be allowed to vote?

Rosstac the problem is it is only tangentially an immigration issue. A large immigrant population highlights the issue of lack of resources to locals but the problem is lack of funding.

The problems Lincolnshire and similar counties face in educational terms is nothing at all to do with FOM. Rural areas and seaside locations perform consistently badly even, or especially, when they have little immigration.

Immigrants improve educational outcomes.

The problems with education are systemic and deep rooted within white, working class communities and need to be tackled by a government that cares about the areas. These areas vote Tory - the tories don't give a fuck about you. Labour focuses its efforts on its heartlands.

There are serious long term issues but they are categorically NOT going to improve after Brexit and as people keep on saying they will probably get a lot worse.

Bearbehind yes And by leaving the EU ends FOM as it stands
And if the government not listening?
And it’s my vote, 1 little vote and I’ll vote how I please.

Moussemoose And it was Labour that opened the floodgates and even they reluctantly admitted that they never expected so many to come here.

Ok rosstac your view are clearly deeply entrenched but surely you have to admit that they are also deeply racist.

You don’t give a shit about any other consequences or any other facts, you just want to stop the foreigners.

There’s absolutely no other word for it.

You don’t give a shit about any other consequences or any other facts, you just want to stop the foreigners.

That's (sadly) exactly like my mum and her generation of my family.

Mistakes were made absolutely. No government has used the EU rules available. Totally. Labour has not worked well for people in rural areas. I'm not going to defend mistakes. The issues your community faces are austerity issues caused by a hard line Tory government.

Most U.K. immigration is NOT EU. Local employers won't start employing local people on good wages they will find other people from other places to exploit. Who will you blame then?

When the next wave of immigrants arrive and you can't blame the EU is that when you grab your pitchfork?