Any remainers here who don't think civilisation is about to collapse?

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Die hard remainer here. Was gutted with referendum result, but I think it'll probably be a bit crap after for a while, then it'll level out and basically be fine. Don't think society will collapse.

Apparently this is a very unpopular opinion and either I should be a defiant leaver saying all will be wonderful and we'll have our sovereignty back and our blue passports and all those nasty foreigners will be gone, or I should be boarding up all my doors and windows and preparing myself for economic collapse and societal disintegration?

Is there no one like me?! No middle ground????

I do wonder whether some posters have any connection at all with people in poverty

Well I grew up as one, so I do actually yes.

Rossini, I have to say you seem to hold Leave voters in a bit of contempt, if you forgive me saying so. You keep talking about them as though they are all violent, radical ideologues who will overthrow the civil society if they don't get what they were promised in the campaign, even if there is growing evidence that what they voted for is not possible without causing them real hardship.

Do you actually know any Leavers personally? My inlaws are over 70 and they voted Leave. They were quite adamant straight after the vote that they wanted out and we should go out, but the ongoing signs of the government's incompetence has really got to them. (It's no small thing that my MIL needs vital medications, so the government talking about medicine shortages is more worry than they really need at their age.) They are reasonable, pragmatic people and they are open to solid, rational discussion. They are NOT going to go rioting if it turns out that it's better for the UK's stability to stay in. Why did you get the idea that Leavers would turn to violence and there would be blood in the streets if there was no Brexit?

The world wont end but this whole exercise in regaining a never-lost sovereignty is pointless, divisive, expensive and will make life a whole lot harder for those who really don't need it to be.

This thread is for people that DONT believe we are all going to hell in a hand cart. Not for those that are banging on regardless. Join all the other doom and gloom zombie threads this one is not for you. This one is a cheerful remainer thread where life isn't totally ideal, but it will be okay.

Both my children and I help with the foodbank, and I can assure you no child is starving in our area (or any others that I have heard of) That is why we have food banks. I can't believe we are even having this conversation

I keep trying to write a reply to this but ... I have no words...

I voted remain and was really surprised when it was a leave result. I do respect the vote. It's why I love living here. I'm. It too worried at all. I think overall England, and Britain as a whole is very well respected and many countries will still want and need to trade with us. We also stand to shed some of the ridiculous EU laws that we are forced to have and in light of recent events that makes me feel very much happier.

mumma
We also stand to shed some of the ridiculous EU laws that we are forced to have
Which ones are you looking forward to getting rid of ?

Ok not going to hell. No riots. No civil unrest.

Just leaving society in a worse state than when we were born. No one starves but a few people go hungry. NHS suffers and a few people struggle on in pain for longer than they would have. Some people lose their jobs.

Nothing gets better, some things get worse, but hey ho that's ok.

Really? Is that what you want this generation to leave for our grandchildren? You are happy to be one of the few generations in history to leave the country in a worse state than you found it but there won't be a riot so it's ok?

pineapple I respect leavers like your in-laws. Unfortunately there isn't enough of that approach around at the moment (I never discussed brexit until I felt that reason and pragnatism had left these shores). Maybe it's more of an impression (the polarising media have a lot to answer for)

This thread is for people that DONT believe we are all going to hell in a hand cart. Not for those that are banging on regardless. Join all the other doom and gloom zombie threads this one is not for you. This one is a cheerful remainer thread where life isn't totally ideal, but it will be okay.

I hate to be a pedant - but not only does the OP start by donning their hard hat, which suggests they came into this expecting full well to hear from people telling her she is wrong, but she finishes up with a question :
Is there no one like me?! No middle ground????

a clear invite for people to answer both in the positive and the negative. Absolutely no where did she specify that this was a safe space for people with their heads in the sand.

I have to say you seem to hold Leave voters in a bit of contempt, and you don't?

I do know some leavers yes, and they are unlikely to be pacified with a there there never mind, trust me, despite being very well educated. They are incredibly passionate about leaving, it is very striking in any conversation which we know avoid having.
I don't tend to frequent places of violence or groups of aggressive thugs of any kind, but it is really quite silly to imagine any other outcome isn't it, given such a huge number will have so little to lose. I don't think they will be reasonable as you suggest, very far from it. But you can keep imagining that they will just walk away quietly....but I can pretty confident they won't not by any stretch because they talk very much of betrayal. I would prefer a more harmonious solution, it does not need to be so radical. There is a deal to be done.

We all need to relax and breathe.

Oh yes and when we lose the 'ridiculous' laws the EU imposes like health and safety, working time directive etc a few people might die but still no one will riot so it's ok.

In relation to food banks no one is starving - I know some young people going hungry does that count? Or do we only start feeling sorry for people when medical starvation sets in?

People can absolutely tell me I'm wrong if they want to. I'm not really sure what that achieves, given that I've stated several times I don't have a clue what's going to happen and frankly nor does anyone else, but by all means go ahead and do so.

I think we'll get Brexit in name only so am moderately confident that the worst case won't happen.

But "no deal" would be somewhere between disastrous and catastrophic (it would make me an illegal immigrant overnight for a start) and although I still think the risk of that is low it's not zero.

I don't tend to frequent places of violence or groups of aggressive thugs of any kind, but it is really quite silly to imagine any other outcome isn't it, given such a huge number will have so little to lose.
You really reckon that the northern OAP brexiteers will man the barricades ?

But you are sure that the Remainers will do nothing of the sort if they are betrayed

IF you know of any young people that are starving please do the right thing and contact the social services, they will happily be directed to us, and we shall feed them. Okay, no panic required we do it all of the time.

If anyone wishes to donate we are currently collecting bed linen and pjs. I would like to know if you are putting in the same hours as we are actually helping those that find themselves in difficulty? Rather than just sitting on forums using them as weapons?

.but I can pretty confident they won't not by any stretch because they talk very much of betrayal.

And yet you are confident that - despite the govt making plans to stockpile (and immediately passing the buck to businesses -who tell them it's not possible), and despite the fact that we triggered article 50 nearly 18 months ago - have to have come to a solution by October - and the mps are away on their summer jollies until September, and then it's conference season - that we won't crash out, and see riots due to food shortages?

Wierd.

There may be a deal to be done. It isn't being done - and we are fast running out of time. In such a circumstance I don;t think we are overstepping our bounds to review our options.

And whilst I hope and pray that at the very least we get a last minute soft brexit - I cannot see that happening unless there is a huge groundswell in public opinion forcing it to happen. In such a circumstance - assuming all we be fine is counterproductive.

Ta1kinpeace I certainly won't be joining any barricade! No, for me I have accepted that the vote was not what I wanted, but we will make the best of whatever comes our way.

You clearly are a militant stirring up trouble, and it is no good for the future of the country regardless of how one voted.

Why did you get the idea that Leavers would turn to violence and there would be blood in the streets if there was no Brexit?

I counted votes on Referendum night, also in 2xGC + a local election, too. Referendum night was the only one of those experiences that felt truly TENSE. There was a young gal I can't describe, radiating tension & unhappiness, only relaxed late in evening. Blistered on my memory are the angry labels "Enemies of the People!" when the Courts ruled that Parliament had to vote. There's some mean tension out there about Brexit. I never hear vicious anger on Remain side, yet often from Leave voters.

And whilst I hope and pray that at the very least we get a last minute soft brexit - I cannot see that happening unless there is a huge groundswell in public opinion forcing it to happen. In such a circumstance - assuming all we be fine is counterproductive

In my view the last minute soft brexit deal will come from the EU. Having tried to hammer out the best possible conditions.

but we will make the best of whatever comes our way
and if there is no best, only worse, will you be happy for your kids and grandchildren
over the next 50 years before the Brexit dividend is felt?

Putin will be so please at your acquiescence

I counted votes on Referendum night, also in 2xGC + a local election, too. Referendum night was the only one of those experiences that felt truly TENSE. There was a young gal I can't describe, radiating tension & unhappiness, only relaxed late in evening. Blistered on my memory are the angry labels "Enemies of the People!" when the Courts ruled that Parliament had to vote. There's some mean tension out there about Brexit. I never hear vicious anger on Remain side, yet often from Leave voters

Yes I know exactly what you mean I saw it too, and I can not imagine these people not descending into savage violence given that they will feel sold out.

I don't think most people imagine civilization is going to collapse although admittedly there has been some hyperbole from a handful of posters which then gets repeated (either with an eye roll or as a serious worry on other threads), while the more moderate, sensible posters seem to be ignored. That said though, there is a sense from some posters that "Not Armageddon" is the same as "No Change" and that's just not the case IF the UK leaves without a deal in place.

Ok it's extremely unlikely that anyone will starve to death of course but that's not to say there won't be people who go hungry. There already are, including children. The numbers of people who are already struggling will increase because many of those in the "managing ok" bracket right now ie average/slightly below average income, already sensible about shopping in Aldi/Lidl, buy clothes in sales and charity shops, maybe save up for a camping holiday, no extravagant purchases etc will be impacted. Their limited buying power will be reduced due to the effect on the value of the pound and the increased cost of their supermarket shop.

That's before you consider job losses which are likely to happen. It's not only the big companies that we've all heard of, there's a concern that many small and medium sized businesses are just not prepared for Brexit (it's difficult for them to be fair as the politicians haven't been able to tell them what Brexit looks like). That certainly doesn't mean millions out of work on 30 March but over time you will see smaller businesses go under resulting in job losses. As people have less to spend or are cautious about non essentials that then has an impact on things like car sales, furniture and white goods, leisure spending such as pubs, restaurants, cinema, soft play.

I'm not trying to be doom and gloom but it's the cumulative effect which you start to see/feel over time. So no, not mass starvation or widespread civil commotion but a lowering of living standards and a lot more difficulty, stress and anxiety in the day to day lives of ordinary people .

Ta1kinpeace I can't change the vote as much as I would like to pal. The dividend is not of my making, but I won't be pushed into feeling utter abject misery and anger for the rest of my life. The British are a plucky bunch and we will find a way, most of us are fairly resilient and if we are not, then we need to learn to be pretty sharpish.