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Any remainers here who don't think civilisation is about to collapse?

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Bloodylovepotatoes · 30/07/2018 15:25

Die hard remainer here. Was gutted with referendum result, but I think it'll probably be a bit crap after for a while, then it'll level out and basically be fine. Don't think society will collapse.

Apparently this is a very unpopular opinion and either I should be a defiant leaver saying all will be wonderful and we'll have our sovereignty back and our blue passports and all those nasty foreigners will be gone, or I should be boarding up all my doors and windows and preparing myself for economic collapse and societal disintegration?

Is there no one like me?! No middle ground????

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mineisarossini · 30/07/2018 19:46

Icantreachthepretzels You make some very good points, but you lost most of us when you said children will starve. It is overkill and totally uncalled for.

grasspigeons · 30/07/2018 19:47

im a remainer

I think stuff will get more expensive for a bit - which will effect some people more than others.

I'm hopeful the world wont end

Echobelly · 30/07/2018 19:47

I'm kind of the same - some people are acting like we'll have to be queuing outside embassies to get visas to go on holiday in France and that no Brit will ever work in the EU again. I think some things will be made more of a pain in the arse, but a lot of the time it may just be a matter of having to fill in a form online rather than a Kafka-esque nightmare of bureaucracy and expense.

I think there may be noticable but non catastrophic shortages of stuff and food prices will definitely go up.

It is very bad news for NHS staffing and also in some other areas. The irony, I suspect, for those who voted Brexit because they didn't like foreigners (not every Leave voter, by the way), is that I predict the government might end up reaching out to Africa and India for qualified people to fill the gap and the xenophobes will find themselves wistful for the days when 'at least the immigrants were white'.

Theworldisfullofgs · 30/07/2018 19:47

I'm worried on a number of counts but have no doubt society as a whole will be fine.
My specific worry is my dh's meds. He can't take generics so can't be swapped around if there is a blip.
And also I'm worried about futher reduction in school budgets as a result of a declining economy. The school where I'm a governor barely makes it's ends meet as we are at the lower end of allocations.
It does feel like we're moving to a much more selfish society (but that might just be me) and that will get worse after brexit as people will just look after their own.

Moussemoose · 30/07/2018 19:48

Please, please, please don't start on the democracy nonsense. I spend my life on MN explaining that Parliament is and always has been sovereign which is why it can ignore an advisory referendum.

The rules of U.K. democracy mean parliament is sovereign.

mineisarossini · 30/07/2018 19:50

will find themselves wistful for the days when 'at least the immigrants were white' I find that post incredibly racist and revolting.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 30/07/2018 19:51

Shock who put that?

mineisarossini · 30/07/2018 19:52

Incredibly after campaigning to remain I find myself having to defend the points of democracy. You can't hold a referendum and then ignore the result mouse, advisory or not, we all knew what we were voting for.

There is going to be no fairytale ending, we need to get real and get behind a decent deal. All this distraction about article 50 being cancelled and just cancelling the vote is wasting precious time!

Ta1kinpeace · 30/07/2018 19:53

racist and revolting it might be but it accurately reflects the views of many older brexit supporters I've dealt with

mineisarossini · 30/07/2018 19:53

Echobelly

Icantreachthepretzels · 30/07/2018 19:55

The idea that we should commit an act of unthinkable national self harm - an act that even Nigel Farage is now claiming he never said 'would make us richer just that we'd be free' and that Jacob Rees Mogg is saying we won't see the benefits of for 50 years - because there might be some rioting is ... I'm sorry is 'ludicrous' to aggressive a word?

Is it too militant to suggest that when we put economic damage for the next 50 years ( as told by the grand cheerleader of brexit himself) in the balance with some possible short term rioting, that maybe the rioting is the better option all round?

A complete loss of confidence, a breakdown in the power structures as people take the power into their own hands, the complete destruction of democracy. I would not want to be responsible for that

All of this - I think is inevitable after a crash out. Now this is a thread about how that won't happen - I disagree - but fair enough. But to suggest that it won't happen in the event of no deal - of food shortages, and mass job losses, and medication not getting through - but that it will happen if article 50 is revoked and normal life continues for everyone... seems a very strange viewpoint to me.

Ta1kinpeace · 30/07/2018 19:55

rossini
You can't hold a referendum and then ignore the result
you can if its advisory
we all knew what we were voting for.
but not what it meant / implied / would cause

mineisarossini · 30/07/2018 19:56

Ta1kinpeace why are you defending such a comment? The comment was coming from a so called remainer! It is unacceptable, totally unacceptable.

I have noticed there is an insidious element on here, ones that are happy to stay with the EU but are suspicious of those from other part of the world, preferring to stick to europeans and those that are very similar. Is that not the very form of racism we wish to avoid at all costs?

mineisarossini · 30/07/2018 19:57

The die hards are back and some are racist. Lets hope the post gets removed.

Ta1kinpeace · 30/07/2018 19:57

rossini
I'm not from Europe.
If you want to deny that many Brexiters are racist xenophobes I'll leave you to your delusions.

mineisarossini · 30/07/2018 19:59

Ta1kinpeace I can't speak for any brexiteer I am afraid or pretend to know their views and motivations, what I am sure about is that we can't have racist comments on here like those that echobelly has just posted.

Icantreachthepretzels · 30/07/2018 20:00

You make some very good points, but you lost most of us when you said children will starve. It is overkill and totally uncalled for

Yes, because when somebody crosses a word out in their post - that is the one word that you focus on, take 100% seriously and therefore decide that absolutely nothing else that person said has any merit Hmm

However- I will repeat - the country is already full of children going hungry. It really is. Shortages and increased prices will make that far worse. That is reality. I should not have 'lost people' on reality. Any attempt to pretend that damage to the food supply will not very seriously affect the most vulnerable in society is both shocking and callous.

Mentioning that it will - well it might be shocking - but it certainly isn't uncalled for.

mineisarossini · 30/07/2018 20:02

However- I will repeat - the country is already full of children going hungry. so we are agreed, given the country is already full of starving children according to you, then that outcome can no longer be considered and must be dismissed.

Do you even live in the UK?? One must question whether you have even been here!

Quietrebel · 30/07/2018 20:05

Other countries more used to referendums do their due diligence before the vote so that there is a clear binary choice presented to voters (aka a PLAN). Normally, voted that carry such constitutional significance are subject to a super majority (60 or 65%) to make sure the country doesn't end up split down the middle. What happened here was negligence.

Quietrebel · 30/07/2018 20:05

Votes not voted

Ta1kinpeace · 30/07/2018 20:05

A bit of clarity about hungry children in the UK
www.trusselltrust.org/news-and-blog/latest-stats/end-year-stats/
The rollout of Universal Credit is causing real and utterly unnecessary hardship

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 30/07/2018 20:06

This thread has turned horrible.

mineisarossini · 30/07/2018 20:06

Both my children and I help with the foodbank, and I can assure you no child is starving in our area (or any others that I have heard of) That is why we have food banks. I can't believe we are even having this conversation.

Back to you op. Some of us are with you. Some of us are not.
I am firmly of the view the world will not end.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 30/07/2018 20:06

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Icantreachthepretzels · 30/07/2018 20:07

so we are agreed, given the country is already full of starving children according to you, then that outcome can no longer be considered and must be dismissed.

Do you even live in the UK?? One must question whether you have even been here!

Uh.... what????????
Children are already hungry - therefore the fact that food shortages will increase hunger should be dismissed?????????

Maybe it's because I'm not from and have never been to the UK Hmm but can someone help me out, because I'm all at sea?