To ask if those panicking about Brexit realise they've been had?

[Growingboys]

Honestly, it's pathetic.

This is Project Fear mark 2, spin designed to stop Brexit happening. Politicians and wonks hope that if they spread enough fear around, which is what all these ridiculous 'prepping' threads are, they will stop us leaving the EU.

Everybody needs to calm the fuck down, stop digging their underground food stores/adding some more tins to the Ocado order, and realise this is spin, pure and simple. The world will continue to turn, and food will continue to be on supermarket shelves, regardless of what happens with Brexit.

I am very sad at the lack of sense and backbone so many people are showing here, regardless of views on Brexit.

I'm off to have a gin and put my feet up. I might even eat something from my freezer tonight rather than save it for armageddon #dicingwithdeath

Sorry to jump back a few pages, but I really struggle to understant the mentality of people like this:
gnome and do you really think other countries will stand by and see 1 million people die because of a trade deal? Would we do that to France, Germany, Begium etc? LuluJakey1

Grow up.

We are tearing up international treaties and agreements. This is what it means to leave an international alliance: they have no responsibility towards us. Do you know how many people died in Syria's wars, or Yugoslavia's? How many migrants died in the Med? Of course they will let our people die, because this is what we have chosen to happen, and what thanks would they get for interfering - such interference is precisely the mythical EU uber-control that leavers bleated about.

Some people really had no conception about what the referendum is about. Once we leave, France and Belgium, etc will be entirely foreign powers once more.

We are tearing up international treaties and agreements. This is what it means to leave an international alliance: they have no responsibility towards us.

This.

Also, why does anyone think the French and the Belgians would come to our rescue to stop British citizens from dying as a result of our decision to withdraw chaotically from a set of international treaties, when we don’t seem to care enough about our own citizens to not put them at risk in the first place?

Why are the French and Belgians responsible for not letting the consequences of our own actions come back to bite us?

If leavers cared about people’s safety and lives, they wouldn’t be so blasé about the prospect of a hard border in Ireland, for another thing.

Where has anyone officially said we willhave a shortage of things such as insulin.

The UK does not manufacture insulin. this has been widely reported. So in the next 8 months we either have to start manufacturing it, or find someone else to sell it to us. Now, medicines do have to be strictly governed. It's not a good idea to buy any old shit off someone and trust that it's been manufactured to clinically safe standards.

In the EU, an organisation called the European Medicines Agency ensures medicines are appropriately regulated. Currently it is situated in London but it is in the process of moving to Amsterdam, as a direct consequence of Brexit. You can read about this on the EMA's website. It isn't project fear, just a statement of fact. www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/news_and_events/general/general_content_001707.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac0580a809a7 You'll also notice that when the EMA talks about preparing for Brexit, it is talking about ensuring the move to Amsterdam goes well, it's not referring to people in the UK getting their insulin.

I doubt anyone who should be reading this still is, but if so, answer me this, where do you think we will get our insulin? And who will ensure it is properly regulated?

If leavers cared about people’s safety and lives, they wouldn’t be so blasé about the prospect of a hard border in Ireland, for another thing

Quite. Although every time the matter of the Irish border post-Brexit is raised, there is a distinct silence on how exactly that rather pesky issue is going to work out.

Exactly.
Some people need to get their heads out of the sand. We need pressure on our politicians to get something sorted and ensure a supply of medication at the least, preferably guard food imports, and if not try to defer the leaving date.

It's bloody ridiculous that we're supposed to be leaving in less than 6 months and they've only now released a strategy for approaching the EU!! And then some bloody gits who will never struggle themselves throw their toys out of the pram and use it to try and increase their own personal political clout.

Oops sorry, leaving in less than 12 months.

Gabilan - that didn't answer the pp at all. That's not what she asked. She said where has anyone said that their will be a shortage of insulin? You answered saying because of the buildings moving. Fair enough, but that STILL doesn't mean it's a fact it's going to be a shortage, it is all pure speculation dressed up as fact. Where have they said there WILL be a shortage?

their - there. FFS (slaps own wrist and blames autocorrect)

This from Ian Dunt is good on the impact of a no deal Brexit on our food.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/news/millions-of-patients-could-be-affected-by-no-deal-brexit-medicines-shortages-says-mhra-chief/20205240.article?firstPass=false

Shortage of insulin article

And yes I appreciate it doesnt say WILL

But articles like this one state some of the concerns

And people are allowed to worry about what MIGHT happen...its how most humans are wired depending on the situation

Britain has no insulin manufacturer whatsoever. All analog insulin is imported.

Type 1s are worrying. As would anyone faced with a compromise to the medication that keeps them alive.

Germany - Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Volkswagen, Skoda
France - Citroen, Renault, Peugeot

Do you think they will want to stop selling cars to us? Do you think they will cut off their nose to spite their face? This is big business - about 15% of Germany's car industry are sold to the UK. Do you think they'll want to stop this? Europe imports into the UK ^38bn Euros of cars annually.

That's just cars, but it touches on many, many more products and services...

o you think they will want to stop selling cars to us? Do you think they will cut off their nose to spite their face? This is big business - about 15% of Germany's car industry are sold to the UK. Do you think they'll want to stop this? Europe imports into the UK ^38bn Euros of cars annually

Of course they don't want you not to buy their cars. But can't be so stupid to think that means that nothing will change? It doesn't work like that, but it is a classic example of Brexit naivety..."we're an important market, they will all fall over themselves for our business"...wrong!

You answered saying because of the buildings moving

You really don't get it, do you? The EMA will no longer govern supplies of medication to us. It's not about a building moving. It's losing an entire regulatory framework. We do not make insulin. We are therefore either going to have to learn to manufacture it PDQ or import it. Either way, it needs to be regulated. Except that, we have no regulatory framework of our own.

So riddle me this. Where will insulin come from? These are the kind of questions brexiters need to find answers to, rather than just burying their heads in the sand and saying "oh it'll all be fine, you're just scare mongering".

Um Wrongand Loveintokyo why on earth is it up to the French and the Belgians to look after the UK? I dont see Australia asking Japan and Indonesia to look after them. What a crazy expectation

The UK does not manufacture insulin. this has been widely reported. So in the next 8 months we either have to start manufacturing it, or find someone else to sell it to us.

So, will current suppliers in the EU refuse to sell it to us? Presumably, this is also big business....

we're an important market, they will all fall over themselves for our business

So they happily lose that 15% and rub their hands because they've "taught us a lesson"?! Yeah, ok.

So they happily lose that 15% and rub their hands because they've "taught us a lesson"?! Yeah, ok.

Not even slightly what was said, or implied. More excellent brexit stupidity though" Have you got more? This is gold.

To respond to all the people who are saying they were around before the UK joined the EU and life was much better then, I was also around then and can confirm life was indeed fantastic. However, I would suggest that the main reason for this is that I was forty years younger . I had no mortgage, no responsibilities and knees that worked properly.
Seriously, I can't believe people come out with this shit about 'the good old days'. The world has changed. We live in a global economy. It's bonkers to think Brexit will turn back the clock to some non-existent utopian era.

The problem with the German cars argument is that of course they will keep selling cars to us and we’ll keep buying them. They’ll be more expensive so they might sell, say 10-20% less cars so they’ll lose about 3% of their sales. Not exactly a disaster for Audi, BMW, VW etc and certainly not enough for the German government to come running cap in hand to us begging for a trade deal.

Well you can worry about Brexit or just relax like a lobster in a pan of increasingly water.

Wonders if you believe that global warming doesn't exist

manaftermidnight yes, I've got loads more 'ignorance'. The ignorance of those who choose to see the sky falling. Either embrace it or run away from it. It's your choice, but it will happen whether you like it or not.

Oh for Gods sake, it was the Brexiters who were telling us to stockpile, not Remainers. If this is Project Fear Mark 2 then it’s owned by the Leavers, and it’s a lot worse than the original Project Fear. I still can’t believe you knew what you were voting for, and you actively chose to vote for this. It’s insane. Every time I think it can’t get any more stupid, it goes and gets more stupid.

yes, I've got loads more 'ignorance

Clearly.