To be scared by our apathy?

[Currywurstmitpommes]

Threads on here discussing how best to stockpile food, the government telling us not to panic but at the same time making the kind of plans we shouldn’t see in peace time.

All of this is self inflicted. Largely down to our politicians worrying more about their parties than the rest of us. Austerity making us feel poorer and running down our services. Now the scary reality of next March is getting closer by the minute.

Countries have managed to royally fuck themselves before up by blindly believing the government will sort it out before. Ask yourself do you really believe that all those 650 MPs in parliament are either competent or working in your best interests?

but... its not too late

Many believe it’s a done deal with no turning back. But it can be stopped. Here’s the proof.

Speaking on the BBC Radio Today programme this morning, French Europe Minister Nathalie Loiseau confirmed that the door “remains open" to the UK, and that we could stay in the EU “on the same terms”.

Commenting, Lord (John) Kerr, the architect of Article 50 and a leading supporter of the People’s Vote campaign, said:
“It’s up to us. There would be no price – political or financial – to pay if we took back the Article 50 letter, as the French Europe Minister today confirmed we can.
“The people should have the right to choose. They deserve their vote, once the present negotiation with the EU ends.”

We all need to making our thoughts and voices heard on this. Please dont’t leave it to others - its all our futures and those of our kids.

So write to your MP, sign the facebook petition and take back control!

I am saddened by the misconceptions that are being trotted out such as the idea that the 2016referendum was legally binding

Why are you saddened, I dont remember a single person in the campaign explaining that whatever the result of the referendum parliament might ignore it. In fact both sides explained that if we voted to leave the EU then we would actually be LEAVING the EU.

I think the misconception was that the referendum was the opposite of legally binding. Perhaps the electoral commission should investigate that!

I think you will find that the LAW, as in the Act of Parliament establishing the referendum, says the referendum is ADVISORY. The decision to apply the result of the ADVISORY referendum was a political decision. I see no reason why there could not be a different political decision even now. Perhaps 'in the light of work done after the referendum on how the UK might leave the EU, leaving is not in the best interests of the UK. Govt will, however, take account of the views as expressed in the referendum when considering EU matters going forward'. Surely the ultimate 'kicking the can down the road' and no more or less disruptive to the UK economy/population or Conservative Party?

JWIM I never mentioned the law, I mentioned what everyone was led to believe. And they were mislead into believing that their vote would be enacted. Remainer deception?

Curry I did mention the Irish Border at just after midday today. Saying I found it unbelievable there's been no plans made.

By contrast the Referendum on the Alternative vote, and I believe the Scottish independence Referendum were written as to be legally binding.

Cameron promised that the vote would be enacted, but he promised to stay on to do so. A promise which didn't last 24 hours. Who else actually promised anything? Well, I recall Farage extolling the virtues of Norway, and Hannan being adamant that we would stay in the single market. What people believe or think or say should happen doesn't automatically make it law. A more astute politician than May would have said that.

And we come full circle back to beliefs , which are fine on a personal level , but don't work so well on a national running the country type level. To run a country and by that I mean the boring nitty gritty of providing services /resources , you need to work with a heck of a lot more than beliefs.

But that is what the government have to work with at the moment, they are trying to keep true to a segment of the populations beliefs while at the same time working with facts that almost without exception counter those beliefs, Tricky.

they are trying to keep true to a segment of the populations beliefs while at the same time working with facts that almost without exception counter those beliefs

It was a BIG majority, the bigliest majority Peregrina

In 2016 it was 26.5 ish of the UK population , could be less now for a variety of reasons. So as I keep pointing out, not the majority of the UK population, who if Rees Mogg is to be believed will not see the benefits for 50 years.

The UK government and parliament needs to consider the impact of Brexit on the 73.5% of the population who didn't actually vote to leave. This will require them to be honest with everyone in the UK. Something they have struggled with over the last two years !

In 2016, taking off the rebate, we paid the EU approx £13 Billion. The other £5 Billion returning to the UK is spend by the EU in the UK, its not money we can use to spend on police, teachers, or potholes. We have no control over it at all, its essentially used to promote the EU.

That is completely untrue and another lie perpetuated by the Leave campaign. These funds are used for specific projects. A good example is spending on deprived areas. But the EU don't have the resources to do the actual work so most of that money is allocated to local organisation such as councils to spend.

The EU allocates the funds to each European nation to support sustainable economic development and reduce regional wealth disparities - it’s their way of trying to give a boost to the poorest parts of the continent. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/mapped-where-in-the-uk-receives-most-eu-funding-and-how-does-thi/

The main downside (to them) of them being honest is of course admitting that it is their fault that services and resources are under threat , they could have should they have wanted to , improved them. They didn't , instead they pointed the finger elsewhere. Fair play to them it worked a treat

Bit irrelevant at this point all this.

Believe what you like. Argue for eternity. Keep being upset about things you can't control.

More people voted to leave than stay. We are leaving the EU. This is the point you are repeatedly missing in keeping on thrashing out a campaign that was decided 2 years ago.

And absolutely fuck all will change in the grand scheme of things in most people's lives when we leave.

Leave knew this was a one time deal, they only had to get the majority once and that would be it, so they said anything to achieve that. They were completely dishonest and while some are being fined, some might be prosecuted that does not help the rest of us.

Is it irrelevant though , I mean leaving isn't a done deal ( pardon the pun). There is still time not to leave.

Yes more people voted to leave in the referendum, but as a % of the UK population they are not a majority.

And absolutely fuck all will change in the grand scheme of things in most people's lives when we leave. Prove that to be true and I am sure most remain and even leave voters on here will be very much relieved

And absolutely fuck all will change in the grand scheme of things in most people's lives when we leave.

Or to ask the most obvious question, if that is really the case, then why on earth are we spending all this time and effort doing it ? If nothing changes for those who thought they were voting for a change to improve their lives ?

Again, it's how a democracy works, more votes and all that.

The Ireland border will be fine
Trade will not stop

We will still be bound by some EU regs and directives

Nothing much will change!

Has it occurred to you what and who is spending the time?

Do you really believe it is as it appears?

Nothing much will change!

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

People who believe nothing much will change when the U.K. leaves the EU are sorely misguided. The U.K. will become much poorer and the British will be stuck on an island of few natural resources, far more easily exploited by a profoundly corrupt and manipulative ruling elite than when the EU was there to prevent the worst excesses.

Well we shall see.

There's always hand wringing and doom and gloom when anything changes. People don't like change.

The world will not stop turning. There will still be buffalo mozzarella in waitrose.

Nothing will change

Who are these people? Where have they been for the last two years?

It’s most unlikely that there will still be buffalo mozzarella in Waitrose.

Yes you must be right, italy won't want to trade with the UK anymore!

Have you got the tin foil out yet?

Honestly I thought I was well informed about the Leave campaign (followed it at the time, not least to understand their view point etc.) but the targeted ads that are now being released really make me angry. They were at best manipulative, at worst downright lies!! The ones about Albania & Turkey joining for instance. Not presented as application in process, no, it said they are joining, as a fact.
Below link from the BBC, no less, who can't be accused of anti brexit bias:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-44966969

I don't need tin foil , I need your crystal ball

Yes, because the major concern is buffalo mozzarella. FFS.