Scottish Nationalists: Why leave one union to join another?

[FrancinePefko42]

From my understanding, the primary motive for Scotland leaving the United Kingdom is to have full autonomy as independent sovereign state - with all the freedom that would confer.

Why does being closely tied to Brussels have greater appeal than retaining the ties with England?

prettybird

As has been stated repeatedly and not just by me, that question has been answered multiple times, with examples - but you either didn't like or chose to ignore the answers hmm.

Then please stop reading. It is not compulsory.
I was intrigued and amused that in the early answers it was "leaving an abusive husband and going to a new suitor who cares" . I asked if that was logic or an emotionally laden fairy story. The conversation moved on.

if you can't be bothered to RTFT, As I have just said , I read and respond whenever I get time. I am not looking at my phone all day.

Do keep on bumping the thread. It helps ensure that more people read it.

I'd already addressed that point: a) your snarky "wishing us well" fools no-one and b) that wasn't in your OP.

You were trying to make a facetious point - and got owned by the answers. As I suspect has happened on other threads you've been on when you've tried to make a "clever" point, which turned out to be not so clever.

Francine your bitchy use of the emoticons weren't funny the first time and every time you carry it on you are, as I said before, showing yourself up. You're acting like a bully and are obviously a person who doesn't know when to stop.

I suspect you are trying to get a rise out of Prettybird so she will say something nasty. Then you would use that nasty thing to illustrate what all people who are for Scottish independence are like a la those unionists who said the indyref was 'divisive' and 'split friends and families up'

I could be wrong but I've seen it before. And you really are going on and on and on. What other reason could there be for it? Please let me know.

Op, not read the thread but you are correct, it's madness. I don't think it's actually what SNP want either tbh but they think they have more chance of a yes vote with it. They think the population is stupid and unfortunately they are right.

As I have said before, several time, I am happy to stick to the topic of the thread. It was me that asked why two posters littered their posters with emojis. I was told where to go.

I suspect you might be right WaxOn

They are completely different things. The uk is a nation. The Eu is a supranational body which would be hugely beneficial to an small independent nation like Scotland.

I hope Scotland gets its freedom and can rejoin the EU. Brexit is stupidity of the highest order.

prettybird

Do keep on bumping the thread. It helps ensure that more people read it.
Yes, your majesty

I'd already addressed that point: a) your snarky "wishing us well" fools no-one and b) that wasn't in your OP

It was on the first page and repeated 4-5 times by me (and re quoted above).

And wax on - what possible evidence do you have for any of that post. Lol - it’s not the Scottish population who are stupid.

For me the main argument for independence that has an element of validity is about bring government closer to the people it's serves so that it should be more representative of what people want. That doesn't tie in with membership of the EU in it's current format. The people making the decisions are even more distant than Westminster and we've had no input in their appointment/election. I think the EU is about to go down the tubes anyway so there may be nothing of worth left to join.

You and I have had our disagreements Wax but in general respect each other and agree to differ.

You might find it interesting to read the thread and not just the OP. You may well disagree with some/all of it (and I am sure will be frustrated at the personal attacks in it) but there were/are some interesting points in it.

Zsaz, I have as much evidence as you do. What nationality do you think I am?

I may have a canter through later PB, but unless you change sides, we will never see eye to eye! i don't agree with personal attacks though as frustrated as I get with the whole thing. I've actually been avoiding the whole politics thing lately (too much else going on) and no emotion left for it tbh. I was just getting too angry and too sad at it all. I do resent my national identity being hijacked for something I don't believe in though. No idea why I decided to randomly post on this.

Also Francine - I haven’t read all you write but what do you mean when you say “Brussels”? Are you referring to an EU body?

The Scottish banks could withdraw the collateral they lodge with the Bank of England (which despite its name is not English but is the central bank for the UK) in order to be allowed to print their own money (the apocryphal "million pound notes" grin) - which would probably cause a run on the pound, but is in no-one's benefit

How would an independent Scotland have coped with the collapse of The Royal Bank of Scotland?

According to The Guardian, in addition to the original £45bn rescue. The total cost of disastrous lending, over-paying for takeovers, fines and legal bills actually tops £90bn.

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/24/90bn-in-bills-since-2008-how-did-rbs-get-here-financial-crisis-

No idea wax on but you will not be winning mastermind any time soon. The snp policy is an independent Scotland in Europe. Of course not every last person in the snp agrees with that but there’s no evidence at all that the majority don’t.

zsazsajuju
Also Francine - I haven’t read all you write but what do you mean when you say “Brussels”? Are you referring to an EU body?

In the same general way that people have been using the shorthand "Westminster". I was not referring to the physical city. I am happy to say EU from now on. It's shorter too.

Typical SNP response to resort to personal attacks. Aye fair enough Zsaz anyone disagrees or has a different view it's not allowed by big brother the cybernats.

This is all about control. maybe some of us don't think we need to be told what we want and told and told until we believe it. Maybe we want to be able to control our own lives in the context of also supporting the people in society who need it. However, clearly there is no point me joining a debate because (mainly I just can't be bothered) I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

And wax on you clearly have no idea about the Eu. It has limited competence for a start and can only legislate in some areas. And they have to be approved by the European council which is the elected head of states of each country. So which unelected people are making decisions?

Don’t believe everything you read in the Daily Mail.

Francine the Eu is a super national body made up of countries. You are making no sense saying the “EU”. Which body of the EU? Was it just something you read in the Daily Mail about “Brussels”?

zsazsajuju
you will not be winning mastermind any time soon

I wonder if anyone will be "offended" at this?

So far, anyone daring to question the SN "logic" has been told "Awa an tak a fuck tae yersel, hen" , "supercilious cunt", "obtuse" and now the above.

Yet responding in kind (wih emojis only) is classed as "bullying" and "gratuitous insults"

lol - it just get's better.

So where do you think the power sits in the EU? Who do you think elected those people?

Lol wax - I’ll take it you have no evidence then!

Wax - the people in the member states did. You need to read a book or something.

Just answer the question Francine- no more racist drivel please.