What is the solution to the Irish border?

[MegCleary]

Keen to hear, as I am struggling.

The solution is to remain in the EU, admit that Brexit is undeliverable and dump Brexit.

That is very unlikely to happen, and there are no other workable solutions. So the shit show will unfortunately continue indefinitely, with no end in sight.

I suppose there is just about a possibility of some sort of solution if we remain in the Customs Union or the EEA, but too many idiots seem to favour hard Brexit with no deal.

We need a peoples vote with the option of staying in.

There is no solution.

Solution 3 - The border moves to the Irish Sea

The DUP won't go for this. Consequently not an option (if it ever was) because their votes are needed.

There is no solution that will please all parties

There was a good article in the FT today, specifying the backstop deal that would work (so that the U.K. can get the transition period they so desperately need). Basically, backdrop of whole of U.K. in customs union, plus NI in VAT agreement and single market. It’s not an enticing deal for either EU or U.K. but it sounds like a goer.

stay in customs union &/or single market &/or EU &/or someone (LibDems?) prop up Tory govt (we know how forgiving UK electorate are about LibDems doing that...) so that May can impose an effective border down Irish sea but no border on Island of Ireland.

EU offered the last option, but DUP won't have it & they are king-makers.

Solution 1 - the 6 counties are handed back to the Republic

Why would ROI agree to being lumbered with NI? Years of neglect from the UK means it’s a bloated welfare state.

There is no solution. This is why the UK may crash out. The Tories are such cowards they will blame Ireland and then take the leaver line of "let them put up a border if they want". Despite the fact the whole idea of Brexit was about taking back control of borders. .

You've got to admire leavers who still back this shit with a straight face.

It is hilarious that JRM- & Redwood types are insisting there is no reason why UK should control our (Irish) borders.

www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/british-pm-to-say-backstop-deal-would-be-in-breach-of-belfast-agreement-1.3570603%3fmode=amp

But the backstop is only a short-term solution, isn't it.

Also surely the DUP will never allow it?

Can I ask what do the DUP want to happen?

The solution is...cancel Brexit.

I’m pretty sure that those who voted for Brexit hadn’t really considered the issue of the Irish border, as it was England and Wales that voted for Brexit, not ‘Britain’.

It’s all such a shitshow of gigantic proportions. Those responsible for either being too lazy to spell out the problems (Osborne, Cameron etc) and those who successfully spread false information and illegally campaigned (Boris, Gove, Farage etc) have all gone scurrying off to to their holes, leaving whatever shower of numpties are in cabinet this week to try and sort out the almighty mess they’ve made.

Surely nobody who voted leave imagined it could be such a mess? I voted remain, and even I’m surprised and worried by quite how badly things are going.

I'd imagine the DUP would find it acceptable for Ireland to fit into the UK somehow - retain the common travel area, align Ireland with UK markets and regulation etc. Tough luck to Ireland being in the EU, as it doesn't really suit the DUP. I'd imagine there are plenty of people that privately agree - some have even said so publicly (Nigel Lawson).

Thankfully that's never going to happen.

Reunification of Ireland can go fuck itself as an option thanks. Until the day you have to live in the reunited Ireland you don't get an opinion.

Solution One - The six counties are passed back to Ireland.

Unfortunately according to the Good Friday Agreement, which both the British and Irish Government signed up to, this can't Just Happen. It has to be the will of the people of Northern Ireland, voted for and debates over in a referendum.

Can I just point out that a united Ireland has to be the will of the people of both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland and as an Irish woman (ROI) I don't agree that's unfortunare at all. I'm actually getting really pissed off at how often "give it back to Ireland" is trotted out, by leavers and remainers alike, as though -

1. That's something Britain gets to decide for NI/ROI. It's not.
2. It's just that simple

Has nobody who suggests this noticed over the last two years that actually there's quite a lot of analysis, planning and cost involved in leaving a Union?
Does it occur to those saying "give it back to Ireland" that there are quite a lot of people in NI who would not want that? Should they just be told "tough shit, will of the people, if you don't like it fuck off"? Is there any awareness that some of those people would be very willing to protest violently or is that just too bad for Ireland?

I also wonder do the people suggesting this actually realise that it would cost Britain quite a chunk of money. If Brexit has a "Divorce bill" then think of an NI payment as "child support".You don't just get to ditch citizens because they're an inconvenience!

The current issue of the Irish border is a result of the willful ignorance and post colonial arrogance of Brexit voters and the joke that is Westminster right now. It' is not for the island of Ireland to undertake massive and likely very divisive change to enable your sunlit uplands/national suicide (tick as appropriate).

Paul McCartney had the solution in 1971 😁

Reunification of Ireland can go fuck itself as an option thanks. Until the day you have to live in the reunited Ireland you don't get an opinion.

😐 how very democratic of you 🙄

The DUP were against the GFA anyway. I remember thinking as a kid that it was great we were all in Europe now anyway so that borders didn't matter so much.

The seven abstentionist Sinn Fein MPs would go a fair way to negating the support of the ten DUP MPs. But still they persist. It seems incredible that having gone completely mainstream in representative politics in the south, they maintain their position in abstaining in Westminster, about something they actually care about. (I know it's a deeper objection they have, but this is potentially a permanent change of the landscape and they still don't show up?)

I'd imagine there are plenty of Irish people north and south of the border that do not see reunification as an option at all and wouldn't vote for it.

It's far too soon.

www.google.ie/amp/www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-abstentionism-explainer-4132042-Jul2018/%3famp=1