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Westministenders: A Pickling Summer

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RedToothBrush · 18/07/2018 22:55

May has survived. The Turd Way has survived.

Whether this is true is another matter. The Turd Way was hijacked by the ERG who ripped it up and turned it from being a starting point to another ridiculous declaration of believing in Royal Unicorns. Rees-Smug has declared May LINO (Leader in Name Only) in tribute to BINO (Brexit in Name Only).

No one yet has grasped the consequences for NI. The backstop was absent from the White Paper except to say, it would never be used.

Johnson also in his commons resignation statement lives in a fantasy land, saying we had 2 and half years to get something in place for the Irish border. Except we don't because we don't have an agreed plan, we haven't hired the people to do it, there is no guarentee the way we are going that we will get a transition agreement agreed to afterall; its entirely dependent on us meeting certain criteria.

Even the Irish themselves haven't got to the point of admitting the possibility that there will be an Irish Border. Under WTO rules, members are legally required to secure their borders. If we are separate members to the EU we have to secure our border and they have to secure their border. In theory NI could be a separate member to the rest of the UK but this would breech the priniciple of a border in the Irish Sea.

No Deal has moved from being an option to being a distinct possibility.

The Trade Bill passed through the Commons unscathed with a dodgy pairing, the assistance of Labour rebels and the brewery tour organising skills of the LD and Labour whips despite the best efforts of Tory Rebels. It suggests the ERG have the numbers to force things but there still are no guarentees of anything.

We've had calls from Justine Greening for another referendum; despite it being obvious that the laws on referendums being ridiculously weak and just about everyone ignoring the findings of the electoral commision and the Leave Campaign's referal to the police. Even then the maximum penalties are wholly inadequate to prevent and deter electoral rigging.

We've had calls for a cross party government of National Unity. Which has been dismissed by Corbyn as an attempt at an establishment stitch up.

We've had the former Head of DexEu (the department who have refused the most FOI requests) and various ERG backbenchers (who said that publication of documents would damage the governments negotiations) ask for transparency and for draft DexEu documents to be published.

Ian Paisley Jr appears likely to be suspended from sitting in the HoC from 4th September for a month for breeching parliamentary standards, losing May one vital vote. She has however been bolstered by the resignation of John Woodcock from the Labour Party pledging his ongoing support of Brexit (he's been a Labour Rebel in the past). Plus there is the O'Mara Factor whereby the whole country could be at the mercy of whether Jared can be fucked to turn up to work at all or not.

There are growing signs out there for increasing support for EEA though despite it all.

The Trade Bill now goes to the Lords, where there is suggestion they might throw it out, after the Speaker declared they had the power to do so as it was a Supply Bill rather than a Money Bill thanks to the Amendments the ERG supplied.

All the while jobs are lost and companies are abandoning the UK and NI has had the most violence in years, but no one cares because Brexit means Brexit and its all worth it.

And finally, when being questioned by the Liason Select Committee, May said that 70 Technical Notices for Households and Businesses in the Event of No Deal would be published in August and September.

The country is in a total pickle.

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DGRossetti · 19/07/2018 16:35

Sounds like the whole system should be scrapped then. It's certainly not fit for purpose.

frumpety · 19/07/2018 16:46

Oh dear ignore the bit about DD's NI not arriving , apparently it arrived a while ago and I have put it somewhere 'safe' Blush

OlennasWimple · 19/07/2018 16:48

I could be wrong, but I think the distinction between short and long term pairing is that long term pairing is where two MPs know that they will be unavailable for a significant period of time (maternity, long term illness, illness in the family etc) and short term is where it's just for a couple of days (MP travelling overseas, short term illness, important constituency event that cannot get out of).

So Jo Swinson is a long term pair user because of her maternity leave but she has been paired up with short term partners (I don't know if that is because there are no other Tory MPs to provide the other half of a long term pair, or for other reasons)

frumpety · 19/07/2018 16:49

The surname is British sounding DG , although the forename is definitely not. Could it have anything to do with the family never having claimed child benefit ?

Sorry last question , sorry to derail Smile

MangoSplit · 19/07/2018 16:55

Place marking

Hasenstein · 19/07/2018 17:00

frumpety Grin

How many things have I lost by putting them somewhere "safe", somewhere where I won't forget, no sirree!

BrexitWife · 19/07/2018 17:03

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/19/british-intelligence-uses-child-spies-in-covert-operations

Using children in cover spying operations.
Really? I mean I thought that sort of operation was one of the most dangerous when trying to infiltrate gangs and drug dealers etc...
In what sort of society are we living in?

DGRossetti · 19/07/2018 17:18

Is that why the family Mogg keep churning them out ?

BigChocFrenzy · 19/07/2018 17:25

Andrew Bridgen, the Conservative MP, told the Daily Politics a few minutes ago when asked what he thought actually happened in the broken pair incident. (See 12.37pm.) He said:

I think the fact that Brandon Lewis abstained on six votes and then just mysteriously voted on the vital two - I think it tells you all you need to know.

RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 17:25

Nick Gutteridge @ nickgutteridge
New Brexit secretary Dominic Raab gave Michel Barnier a copy of the essay The Hedgehog and the Fox by Isaiah Berlin as an introductory gift. The Frenchman proffered him a tome by Nelson Mandela in return.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hedgehog_and_the_Fox
The Hedgehog and the Fox

Berlin expands upon this idea to divide writers and thinkers into two categories: hedgehogs, who view the world through the lens of a single defining idea, and foxes, who draw on a wide variety of experiences and for whom the world cannot be boiled down to a single idea

Mandela's autobiography is called....

[Grin]

Long Walk To Freedom.

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DGRossetti · 19/07/2018 17:25

I may have found a new game.

Make an outrageous claim and cite the Leave campaign.

Wait for howls of outrage from Leavers, saying it's nonsense.

Then pull back and reveal it as a serious claim.

I''l start. Reverse metrication.

Howls of "That was never mentioned"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/17/return-pounds-ounces-britain-might-allow-firms-use-imperial/

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/01/now-sovereign-nation-must-bring-back-imperial-units/

Anyway, fuck that. I want LSD back (but only because I can work in it. Unlike DW. And DS. And indeed (not so)DSiL.)

prettybird · 19/07/2018 17:28

Red asked what happens in the Scottish Parliament re maternity leave/pairing.

Apparently all the parties, with the exception of the LibDems HmmConfused, have agreed that informal pairing arrangements are put in place for MSPs on maternity leave - in keeping with Holyrood's desire to be a family-friendly workplace.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/07/2018 17:29

www.dw.com/en/brexit-the-curse-of-the-caribbean/av-44584554

The British overseas territory Anguilla is against Brexit.
Residents, who could not vote in the referendum, fear they will be hit hard by trade barriers to neighboring EU territories.

Now, the Caribbean island is considering leaving the UK.

RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 17:29

The LDs have a man problem.

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DGRossetti · 19/07/2018 17:34

On reversing Brexit ... it's worth bearing in mind the Allied strategy during WW2. Not just to defeat the Nazis. But to ensure it was total defeat and could not lead to a resurgence a la Versailles of "we wuz robbed".

That's why operation Foxley was never put into action. Even though - if successful (big "if") - it may have shortened the war and saved lives.

As I said a while back. There needs to be blood.

ConstantlyCold · 19/07/2018 17:41

As I said a while back. There needs to be blood

I really hope you are wrong.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/07/2018 17:47

The overwhelming wish of the EU public & politicians is to avoid harm to member countries and the Single Market.

"punishment" is a Brexiter fantasy
(OK, Barnier might fantasise about it too ! but won't do it)

Besides, with the punishment the UK will be dealing out to itself, any more would be pointless.
After someone has shot themself in the head, why would you put the boot in ? Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 19/07/2018 17:48

They are aiming for a calm, dignified look
so they can say over the bleeding corpse: "nothing to do with us"

BestIsWest · 19/07/2018 17:57
Gin
Buteo · 19/07/2018 18:12

frumpety I recently found out my 12 yr old's NI number as it's embedded in his child trust fund paperwork reference.

RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 18:16

Peter Geoghegan @ peterkgeoghegan
Prediction: news will break later tonight that means any hope of the UK doing a negotiated deal w/the EU is dead in the water.

Better not do.

I've not bought my jam jars yet.

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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 18:22

Chris Giles @ chrisgiles_
My column: Forget the white paper, it's only the Irish backstop that matters.

There is a narrow way through here (which everyone in the UK will hate) but we are close to falling off the path

www.ft.com/content/350519e2-8a91-11e8-b18d-0181731a0340?desktop=true&segmentId=d8d3e364-5197-20eb-17cf-2437841d178a
The Irish ‘backstop’ offers a key to unlocking the Brexit impasse
Some European flexible thinking is needed for a compromise and to avert a crisis

David Henig and David Allen Green both in agreement with this position.

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borntobequiet · 19/07/2018 18:22

I teach Imperial to metric conversions. My learners think that the Imperial units are nuts and make their heads hurt (though they are interested in the history and derivation). Some use them in the workplace but most are thoroughly metric.
I’ve posted this before, DGR, but I once reduced a Y8 class to tears with Mr Scrooge’s Christmas Sums, featuring geese, potatoes and coal in Imperial units and £ s d. It was supposed to be a Christmas fun lesson...I had to break out the sweets early.

keyboardkate · 19/07/2018 18:23

Even after all this terrifying information/speculation/analysis, I am firmly convinced that a crash out with no transition period will NOT happen.

There will be a compromise of some sort, I really think there has to be now. But I suppose I could be totally wrong. No Deal is the worst case scenario now.

Does anyone agree with me, because I need a bit of a comfort blanket right now.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 19/07/2018 18:25

I don't see how that can happen Kate. If the government can't agree on a position how on earth could they then get the EU to agree one?