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Westministenders: A Pickling Summer

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RedToothBrush · 18/07/2018 22:55

May has survived. The Turd Way has survived.

Whether this is true is another matter. The Turd Way was hijacked by the ERG who ripped it up and turned it from being a starting point to another ridiculous declaration of believing in Royal Unicorns. Rees-Smug has declared May LINO (Leader in Name Only) in tribute to BINO (Brexit in Name Only).

No one yet has grasped the consequences for NI. The backstop was absent from the White Paper except to say, it would never be used.

Johnson also in his commons resignation statement lives in a fantasy land, saying we had 2 and half years to get something in place for the Irish border. Except we don't because we don't have an agreed plan, we haven't hired the people to do it, there is no guarentee the way we are going that we will get a transition agreement agreed to afterall; its entirely dependent on us meeting certain criteria.

Even the Irish themselves haven't got to the point of admitting the possibility that there will be an Irish Border. Under WTO rules, members are legally required to secure their borders. If we are separate members to the EU we have to secure our border and they have to secure their border. In theory NI could be a separate member to the rest of the UK but this would breech the priniciple of a border in the Irish Sea.

No Deal has moved from being an option to being a distinct possibility.

The Trade Bill passed through the Commons unscathed with a dodgy pairing, the assistance of Labour rebels and the brewery tour organising skills of the LD and Labour whips despite the best efforts of Tory Rebels. It suggests the ERG have the numbers to force things but there still are no guarentees of anything.

We've had calls from Justine Greening for another referendum; despite it being obvious that the laws on referendums being ridiculously weak and just about everyone ignoring the findings of the electoral commision and the Leave Campaign's referal to the police. Even then the maximum penalties are wholly inadequate to prevent and deter electoral rigging.

We've had calls for a cross party government of National Unity. Which has been dismissed by Corbyn as an attempt at an establishment stitch up.

We've had the former Head of DexEu (the department who have refused the most FOI requests) and various ERG backbenchers (who said that publication of documents would damage the governments negotiations) ask for transparency and for draft DexEu documents to be published.

Ian Paisley Jr appears likely to be suspended from sitting in the HoC from 4th September for a month for breeching parliamentary standards, losing May one vital vote. She has however been bolstered by the resignation of John Woodcock from the Labour Party pledging his ongoing support of Brexit (he's been a Labour Rebel in the past). Plus there is the O'Mara Factor whereby the whole country could be at the mercy of whether Jared can be fucked to turn up to work at all or not.

There are growing signs out there for increasing support for EEA though despite it all.

The Trade Bill now goes to the Lords, where there is suggestion they might throw it out, after the Speaker declared they had the power to do so as it was a Supply Bill rather than a Money Bill thanks to the Amendments the ERG supplied.

All the while jobs are lost and companies are abandoning the UK and NI has had the most violence in years, but no one cares because Brexit means Brexit and its all worth it.

And finally, when being questioned by the Liason Select Committee, May said that 70 Technical Notices for Households and Businesses in the Event of No Deal would be published in August and September.

The country is in a total pickle.

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Apileofballyhoo · 22/07/2018 13:32

Are the LibDems not a centrist anti Brexit party already?

BigChocFrenzy · 22/07/2018 13:38

More detail re
YouGov / Sunday Times poll on Brexit

Sample size: 1,688
Sampling date: 19-20 July

"How would you vote in a new referendum?

Remain in the EU 50%
No-deal Brexit 38%
Chequers deal 11%

After assigning second preferences:
Remain 54%
No-deal Brexit 46%

On rightwing party

38% would back a new pro-Brexit party
24% would back a hard-line anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim pro-Brexit Party (i.e. the fascist white supremacist party Bannon / Breitbart is touting)

Westministenders: A Pickling Summer
OlennasWimple · 22/07/2018 13:40

I think there are a lot of women who feel it, smell it's present and see the rotten core of it and feel particularly helpless because the far right don't have their interests at heart, the far left will happily shit all over women, and identifarian centre don't value women and are oblivious to the damaging effect of their own bullshit

Oh WEP - I had such high hopes for them, and they have completely squandered their opportunity to have an impact Sad

SwedishEdith · 22/07/2018 13:44

24% would back a hard-line anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim pro-Brexit Party (i.e. the fascist white supremacist party Bannon / Breitbart is touting)

I think that's pretty stagnant then. UKIP got 24% in last European elections

www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/vote2014/eu-uk-results

BigChocFrenzy · 22/07/2018 13:57

UKIP had died out aftr the ref and the internal chaos
Less than 2% at the last GE

BigChocFrenzy · 22/07/2018 13:59

I soon became disgusted at WEP too, Olennas
The ultimate betrayal of women

SwedishEdith · 22/07/2018 14:01

Well, the views didn't die out. They were simply reabsorbed into both Labour and the Tories who sought to "address their concerns".

BigChocFrenzy · 22/07/2018 14:04

Yes, but that 24% would probably need a new party, at least in a GE
UKIP currently are too disorganised to manage a GE and their EU funding has been cut off after misuse of MEP money.

Buteo · 22/07/2018 14:05

BigChoc I wonder if those that voted in the YouGov/FT poll for No Deal actually have a full understanding of what that might mean? Or do they listen to Deadwood and the like that say that lorries held up in customs and no flights are all just Project Fear?

SwedishEdith · 22/07/2018 14:10

Agree, they need a functional party. Hence Farage piping up again.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/07/2018 14:13

Almost all Brexiters deny all dangers as Project Fear,
but reality will not convince them they made a mistaske

When it becomes Project Reality, they will look for scapegoats and then politics - during maybe shortages of food, power cuts, mass unemployment etc - become really dangerous

Although Farage couldn't get 100 people on the streets,
the EDL Tommy Robinson fascists can mobilise several thousand,
especially with the closely allied Brexiter "Democratic Football Lads Alliance" - an obvious attempt to gain younger male wc fascists for street fighting -
and then there are the "Veterans for Brexit" many of whom are young or middle-aged ex forces, not very elderly or decrepit

BigChocFrenzy · 22/07/2018 14:57

Not much publicity for jailing of far right terrorists for membership of a proscribed organisation,
They were planning to murdeer a woman Labour MP, Rosie Cooper (but acquitted of those charges(

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/22/whistleblower-thwarted-neonazi-plot-murder-labour-mp

National Action is a [banned] neo-Nazi group whose members express a hatred of Jewish people, gays and ethnic minorities.

at the end, whistleblower:

“They weren’t even a neo-Nazi group, they were nihilists.
Lythgoe’s inspirations were the IRA, the INLA, the Baader-Meinhof group, the Khmer Rouge.
You’re looking at a group that towards the end admired jihadists.
As a group they just wanted to be terrorists and kill people.”

DGRossetti · 22/07/2018 15:31

We’re all sinful and fallen.

Speak for yourself mate. Fuck you and your sky fairy.

TatianaLarina · 22/07/2018 15:51

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/22/article-50-extension-unlikely-without-shift-in-uk-politics-say-eu-officials

Only second referendum or election would boost case for extension, EU sources say

DGRossetti · 22/07/2018 16:07

BigChoc I wonder if those that voted in the YouGov/FT poll for No Deal actually have a full understanding of what that might mean? Or do they listen to Deadwood and the like that say that lorries held up in customs and no flights are all just Project Fear?

...all lies and jest still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest ....

BigChocFrenzy · 22/07/2018 16:18

Parliamentary recess saves her for until her party conference in September.
I wonder if May will survive that

We'd probably be better under a new PM, a chance for someone who hadn't boxed thermselves in with red lines

The current upper estimate of around 70 Tory Ultra MPs is well below the threshold of 106 required to ensure they get a candidate through to the last 2.
So the batshit members wouldn't have any batshit option

... providing of course that the saner majority of Tory MPs organise themselves to exclude the batshit options

  • and they've shown themselves to be a disorganised cowardly crowd
So it would be a gamble
BigChocFrenzy · 22/07/2018 16:29

Important legal point which is why A50 extension is VERY unlikely beyond 2 months maximum:

"Officials in the parliament have taken legal advice, which suggests that

extending article 50 beyond the next European elections in May
would not only give 73 British MEPs a right to sit in the chamber until the UK leaves
but for the full five-year term.

A source in the parliament said: “This has been repeatedly discussed. It would be the perfect opportunity for Ukip to rebuild, which is what no one wants"

And most people in the EP would refuse to suffer another 5 years of lazy, abusive Farage and UKIP

RedToothBrush · 22/07/2018 16:35

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0e245a26-8d30-11e8-b6b1-add95100dd9e
Elite London Met police investigated for corruption

When the cops responsible for investigating corruption are investigated for.... Corruption.

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DGRossetti · 22/07/2018 16:36

I'm looking forward to the dimwits on the Brexit Arms banging on about how the evil EU forced A50 on the UK ...

Peregrina · 22/07/2018 16:53

We’re all sinful and fallen.

I always question the certainty of the Fundamentalist Christians - they are so certain they will be saved. They might get a shock come Judgement Day. I always remember reading about one who said words to the effect that a car would be driving along and the chauffeur would suddenly notice his passenger was missing, having been 'caught up' into heaven. I could not help but think that suddenly the Christian Fundamentalist passenger might find that the car was about to crash because it was the driver who had been 'caught up'.

Sorry, digressing here.

DGRossetti · 22/07/2018 16:57

I always question the certainty of the Fundamentalist Christians - they are so certain they will be saved.

... because they choose to spend their Sundays going to listen to a nice man (always a nice man isn't it. Where are the lady preachers ?) who tells them so. With - it has to be said - fuck all supporting evidence.

When did religion go from asking questions to providing answers ?

DGRossetti · 22/07/2018 16:58

When the cops responsible for investigating corruption are investigated for.... Corruption.

Part of that 1970s retro vibe again. Operation Countryman and all that.

DGRossetti · 22/07/2018 17:04

Little bit of a sideways drift here, but did anyone see this about the mega-engineering that China is capable of ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-41206772

Wait until China and India start to work together as geography - and international pressure - will dictate they will.

ClashCityRocker · 22/07/2018 17:16

I think, ladies and gents, what we are witnessing is the destruction of the UK as a major power in the world.

TBf we probably deserve it.