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Channel 4 news is so blantantly anti Brexit it should be taken off air.

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surferjet · 17/07/2018 19:34

Why are they allowed to get away with it?

No replies wanted, just need this put out there.

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DeloresJaneUmbridge · 18/07/2018 08:04

Brexit has been a complete shit show so far and Ch4 are just reporting on what is happening.

It’s been an utter disaster so far and I suspect history will recognise it as a massive mistake.

MrsSnootyPants2018 · 18/07/2018 08:11

@surferjet i thought only the BBC had to legally be unbiased as it's a paid for public service.

bellinisurge · 18/07/2018 08:13

Don't watch stuff if it's triggering for you.

Scoopofchaff · 18/07/2018 08:15

For years I wondered if the continent of Europe, you know our nearest neighbours and trading partners, had actually fallen off the world map the BBC have pinned up in their newsroom, so infrequently did they refer to it.

When the issue of Brexit forced them to confront the land mass across the channel, they were, with the exception of a few valiant journalists, woefully underprepared and lacking in knowledge. It's this lack of confidence in their subject, I believe, that lead them to allowing Farage to become their all too frequent leave spokesman and led to their inability to correct the most basic errors made by politicians relating to EU processes, and of course which led to now debunked myths put about by Boris & co to go unchallenged. Robust journalism it was not.

When the shit hits the fan (as I believe it will post Brexit) many questions imho will be asked about just exactly what did the Beeb think it was doing? Did it fail the public by aiming for such a "balanced" view that it failed to challenge basic, factual lies?

GreenMeerkat · 18/07/2018 09:17

@MrsSnootyPants2018 They're supposed to be unbiased. But they're certainly not!

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 18/07/2018 09:27

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BertrandRussell · 18/07/2018 09:54

t may have been OK at one time, but for many years now, the EU has only benefited the rich, elite, and powerful."
Really? How about employment rights? What about the deprived areas that have benefitted massively from EU subsidy?

Oly5 · 18/07/2018 10:11

They don’t have to be unbiased. The BBC should be as it’s publicly-funded. Channel 4 can do what it wants. If you don’t like it, turn over

rainingcatsanddog · 18/07/2018 10:42

I don't watch the news these days but is the anti-Brexit POV a new phenomenon? Or has it been like that since the referendum was announced?

There are lots of news channels these days. If you don't agree with Channel 4, why not switch to a channel more in line with your views?

The BBC is the only channel that has to be neutral because of the taxpayer money. Doesn't stop them constantly inviting Farage on QT though.

You can work out newscasters biases based on clues like their Twitter feed and who they follow btw.

rainingcatsanddog · 18/07/2018 10:44

the EU has only benefited the rich, elite, and powerful.

Do you think that the Tories would have given us generous maternity leave and maternity rights? 😂

HesterShaw1 · 18/07/2018 10:52

If Brexit is so wanted by the people why are you worried by a minority voice being heard

I agree. What is it you are so afraid of if Brexit is so evidently a wonderful thing? same goes for a second referendum - which I accept is not on the cards - what is it about the potential result you don't like? If all the facts were laid bare, without the benefit of spin and propaganda, are you confident or not that Leave would win again?

And bear in mind that a second referendum was being demanded by Leave if they lost the first one.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 18/07/2018 10:55

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ConstantlyCold · 18/07/2018 11:20

Ok surfer what’s the good news about Brexit channel 4 are ignoring?

Moussemoose · 18/07/2018 12:24

That complaint surfer the one with specific points and detail in - have you written it yet? Could we see it to help us understand what exactly you are objecting to?

MrsChollySawcutt · 18/07/2018 13:25

'the EU has only benefited the rich, elite, and powerful.'

Tell that to the leave voters in Cornwall sobbing into their pasties as the realisation that their £60M per annum EU funding has disappeared and won't be replaced by the UK Government.

topcat1980 · 18/07/2018 14:00

The BBC is unbiased, this can be seen by the fact that both sides of any debate think it favours the opposite.

Channel 4 is unbiased to.

The problem is that when Brexit is held up to any serious analysis all the results are negative, because it just doesn't make sense.

Poor surfer and her deluded little chums just want to be told about the rainbows and unicorns.

Oh and Surfer voted to end FOM, well it will end in name, not in practice, so the loser doesn't even get what she wanted.
Its quite delicious that someone that pathetic has lost, again.

Fontella · 18/07/2018 14:02

The problem is that when Brexit is held up to any serious analysis all the results are negative, because it just doesn't make sense.

When the EU is held up to any serious analysis all the results are negative, because it just doesn't make sense.

Moussemoose · 18/07/2018 14:06

Free trade with no tariffs. That makes nooooooo sense at all.

Oh hold on a minute, yes it does.

Just the one example. Please provide a nice simple example in support of Brexit.

topcat1980 · 18/07/2018 14:07

Yes please do give us an example, with reference to specifics.

thereareflowersinmygarden · 18/07/2018 14:15

@surferjet

You know what the problem is? Human beings. They're all better biased! All of them (me and you included).

The News, is written, edited and produced by these terribly biased human beings.

So, until you find some news written by machines (not that far off) you'll just have to lump it.

Alternatively, you could get your news from lots of different sources and make up your own mind?

All news is biased, complaining about that makes you look a bit silly I'm afraid.

BertrandRussell · 18/07/2018 14:54

The thing that leavers fail to grasp is that remainders want to be wrong-want to be reassured that it's not the car crash we think it is. Because we still live here, and so do our children... Find a way to tell me it'll all be fine and I'll be your personal slave for life!

bellinisurge · 18/07/2018 15:13

@BertrandRussell - can't believe I'm saying this but I completely agree with you.

BertrandRussell · 18/07/2018 15:28

Bellinsurge-I cannot resist asking. What do you usually disagree with me about?Grin

bellinisurge · 18/07/2018 15:30

We've "crossed swords" on other threads.
But not here. Hooray!

RedToothBrush · 18/07/2018 18:21

Nick Cohen did a piece this week about how the BBC weren't asking anything difficult.

Channel 4 news are.

That does not make them biased. Just holding power accountable for what they say. Here's his article:
www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/07/12/how-the-bbc-lost-the-plot-on-brexit/

“The referendum is over,” declared another Today presenter, Nick Robinson. “The day we broadcasters have to ‘broadly balance’ the views of the two sides is at an end. Why? Because there are no longer two sides.” Real journalists should be able to see that everything is wrong with his statement. If Brexit were over, Britain would not be in a rolling crisis with no end in sight. As pertinently, journalists should never assume a subject has become off-limits, because that is what the enemies of free expression demand.

Much of contemporary politics resembles the brainwashing techniques of religious sects, which discredit sources of information that might contradict the cult’s teachings. Political leaders cannot order their followers to cut off communications with their families and leave their partners if they are not fellow members of the sect, but they have found other ways to imitate L. Ron Hubbard. Their most effective technique is to take a half-truth—that all journalistic choices are ideological to some extent—and use it as a weapon to suppress the full truth.

It ought to be obvious that a left-wing reporter will have an urge to expose corporate misconduct, just as a right-wing reporter will be on the watch for the hypocrisies of the left. But since deeds, not motives, make the world go round, the intention of the reporter ought to be irrelevant. What matters is whether what they have found is true or important. Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are masters of the tactic of saying that, regardless of the truth of the research or the importance of the story, the very fact of the story’s existence proves its illegitimacy. The term “whataboutism” does not begin to cover the new official campaigns to discredit journalism. The political cult leader does not merely claim his opponents are as bad as he is or that reporters are motivated by their opposition to him (which is true more often than not). He tells his followers that no honest person would have covered the story in the first place. Its truth and relevance are immaterial; it has no right to exist.

Channel 4 by contrast, asking anything probing therefore look 'biased' when actually what they are really doing is journalism unlike the Yellow Journalism of the current BBC.

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