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If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow ...................

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TistyTosty · 17/07/2018 11:52

.......would you vote the same as you did originally?

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Tink1990 · 17/07/2018 18:26

I voted leave and would again. I dont tell people this is RL ( I say nothing ) because I see how bashed people get because they voted leave. I respect everyones opinions regardless and my vote is, and will always be, Leave.

madcatladyforever · 17/07/2018 18:26

I would vote to leave again, and again and again. For as long as it takes.

Pause3FuhFuh · 17/07/2018 18:28

Votes remain and would do the same.

PerkingFaintly · 17/07/2018 18:41

Strange, I'm disabled and have been dealing with the benefits system since "austerity" began.

So yeah, know what you mean...

shirleyschmidt · 17/07/2018 18:43

Oh sorry @Helmetbymidnight For the avoidance of all doubt - no I don't think you have reason to be concerned. I'm in the magical moderate ground of 'I definitely don't think it'll lead to instant Utopia, nor do I think the sky will fall in'. I think as long as we embrace** it as an opportunity, it'll be a great thing - I wouldn't have voted to leave otherwise.

I see you belong to the sarcastic and arrogant thinking crowd - adopt bullish superior attitude and continue to demand answers to a question that has been answered by Leavers on MN since 2016. Why don't you cheer yourself up and read them.

@Mookatron very true, I do feel strongly and can see you do too. You're right that these often become slanging matches (see above!). I rarely comment on political threads for this very reason - we won't change each other's minds and it often leads to arguments with strangers that I just don't think is worth it! Ive been sucked in this time but will just finish by saying I very much hope to see much more optimism from all sides - it seems to be a bit lacking for some reason, and I believe self belief is crucial to making a success of Brexit.

shirleyschmidt · 17/07/2018 18:44

Damn. Bold fail 🙄

StrangeLookingParasite · 17/07/2018 18:46

I don't think there is a way to make it a success.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 17/07/2018 18:48

Kernowgal I wanted out of Europe, I like Nigel Farage, wouldn’t vote UKIP as a one policy party, hate trump, hate Eastern Europe racist regimes. If you listen to the individual polices and don’t just take a blanket view you will learn a lot more.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 17/07/2018 18:49

And Tommy Robinson is scum

InNeedOfALieInNow · 17/07/2018 18:52

For the people saying they’d vote leave again, is that a vote of confidence for the leave deal as it stands? Or is it a vote for leave as you’d hoped/been promised it would be? (To demonstrate your belief in leave being the right thing even if the deal isn’t a good one?)

DasPepe · 17/07/2018 18:56

I would respect the Leave vote if the government and Leavers had shown that they had a plan, we’re prepared and working towards a clear goal. They do not and have not.

I also dislike when Leavers say “well with the way EU has behaved”.
I’m sorry, but UK decided to leave. They have then turned up unprepared, squabbling amongst themselves, stamping their feet and throwing a tantrum.

You want to leave? Great. You can’t keep the keys to the apartment then!

No ownership of own decision!

A lot of Remain voters aren’t happy with the EU either. That doesn’t mean leaving is the best option for everyone

Helmetbymidnight · 17/07/2018 18:57

Im not ‘demanding’ answers, I just thought since there are many brexiteers here, maybe one of them would tell us what good things we can expect March 2019 onwards. What is Brexit bringing for them?
I didn’t realise it was such a difficult or controversial question.

sergeantmajor · 17/07/2018 19:00

I'm frustrated by hearing about the "will of the people". Nearly as many people voted Remain as Leave, and a substantial number didn't vote at all. So pretty even I'd say.

No one knows the individual motivations of those original Leave voters, but we certainly remember what dominated the debate at the time of the vote: savings to spend on the NHS, immigration and taking back control.

It now emerges that any savings will be eaten up by the divorce bill, and the drop in trade will mean less tax receipts and so less government money.

As for immigration, the debate took place against a news backdrop of Syrian refugees paddling their way to Europe and the possibility of Turkey joining the EU. Those "threats" are barely in the news now.

Taking back control sounds great, but there is a cost to jobs and the economy. For some people that may seem a fair swap, not so for others. In fact most of the Leavers I speak to don't have "skin in the game", e.g. their jobs are safe regardless or they are retired.

In the original referendum, there was very little dissatisfaction expressed about the current EU trade set-up, outside of niche industries, e.g. fishing. So I find it bizarre that the hard Brexiteers claim people voted in order to forge new trade deals with faraway lands. More likely that people were pissed off with immigration, felt patriotic and didn't consider trade deal intricacies.

So I think it would be reasonable to vote again, based on the revelations of the past two years. And to set a minimum lead for one score against the other (most countries who have constitutional referendums require a majority of 75% to enact them).

However, given the divisiveness of the issue, who can face stirring up all that aggro again?

MotherofPearl · 17/07/2018 19:19

@ShackUp

Yes, I couldn't agree more. Part of me actually feels that the best outcome now is for us to crash out with no deal, and for the predictable Armageddon to ensue - the government report leaked a while back forecast the collapse of the Port of Dover within a day, almost immediate fuel and food shortages and so on. Then the full reality of what they have voted for might finally sink in with the Leavers.

Sorry to hear about your situation @StrangeLookingParasite. It's disgraceful.

MiddlingMum · 17/07/2018 19:23

I would vote Remain on a daily basis if that were possible.

I only know one person who voted Leave and he bitterly regrets it.

pfttt · 17/07/2018 19:31

Yes. With knobs on.

tinytemper66 · 17/07/2018 19:32

Yes ... to remain! However, I don't believe we should have another referendum, despite the shenanigans of the Leave campaign.

Rochelaise18 · 17/07/2018 19:35

I'd vote the same way, to remain. I accept that the result of the referendum was to leave. What I cannot not accept is that, rather than coming up with a coherent and workable plan (especially regarding the border between NI and ROI), the government triggered article 50 and then spent the best part of 2 years running round like a headless chicken throwing random useless ideas out. David Davis is like a dog that has spent years chasing cats. He's finally caught one but has no idea what to do with it, so he's lay down and started licking his balls. His negotiating stance bears that up: He spent 4 HOURS this year in talks with Michel Barnier. However, the press would have us believe the EU are to blame. They want to talk, yet Davis, prior to washing his hands of Brexit, seemed to be suffering from a serious case of CBA.

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speakingwoman · 17/07/2018 19:37

Pleased to say that my brexiting brother would now vote Remain (or should we call it “ come back”)

pfttt · 17/07/2018 19:38

And yes, of course we need a second referendum.

One in which Leave AREN'T ALLOWED TO CHEAT.

Nikephorus · 17/07/2018 19:38

I voted leave, I'd still vote leave, even more so.

wowfudge · 17/07/2018 19:40

Yes I would exactly the same. I would just hope that enough of those who voted to leave changed their minds. Brexit was ill-thought through and is being very poorly executed. I don't think that what we'll get is what the leavers want tbh so it will serve no one, apart from being a spectacular political own goal.

winterinmadeira · 17/07/2018 19:41

Yes exactly the same

HarshingMyMellow · 17/07/2018 19:45

If there was a second referendum I wouldn't be voting at all.

The public voted and the majority (albeit slim) voted leave.
Why should that now be overturned? It is what it is, no?

Can't for the life of me understand the mentality of 'it was the wrong result and not the one I voted for, so let's do it again!!'

I say this as someone who voted remain too.

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