Still Not the Brexit Arms

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Gosh the old thread has been busy today!

Not got time to catch up just yet but putting this one here for later.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking Sorry just wanted some true unbiased evidence that’s all, none forthcoming.

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Tx .

I can't buy that. It's torn

(very obscure reference ...)

I see the great EU is taking one of its members to an EU court, nice way to force ( bully) your members into doing what you want it too.

Fortunately rosstac the EU has been very transparent on its side of the negotiations, and there's even a handy website that collates all the relevant paperwork.

ec.europa.eu/commission/brexit-negotiations/negotiating-documents-article-50-negotiations-united-kingdom_en?field_core_tags_tid_i18n=351&page=4

Have a look through and you can see how the EU has sought to protect citizens rights.

ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/essential-principles-citizens-rights_en_3.pdf

Essential Principles on Citizens' Rights

The Withdrawal Agreement should protect the rights of EU27 citizens, UK nationals and their family members who, at the date of entry into force of the Withdrawal Agreement, have enjoyed rights relating to free movement under Union law, as well as rights which are in the process of being obtained and the rights the enjoyment of which will intervene at a later date [for example pension rights].

Am I the only one who sees the irony (and nonsense) of the 'Boatie McBoatface' shambles?
Let's face it, it's of no economic significance to name a boat that is voted for by the British public. But they overturned it, because it was ridiculous,
And then there was Brexit..............

I think you need a new hobby, Buteo ...

DGR when you're married to someone with an EU27 passport it's a good idea to keep up with stuff.

Mind you, that EU27 passport is coming in mighty handy just now.

Buteo And without endless searching, I very sure the UK government has said the same, talk is cheap lets see some action from the EU

Rosstac you don't need to search that hard, documents on that link are all clearly listed. If you have even a scooby about the negotiations to date then you'd know what kind of date ranges to be looking at (hint, December 2017 was quite a key period). And the EU documents have a traffic light system so you can see what has been agreed by whom and what is outstanding (further hint, it's all looking very green).

It's not the UK and EU27 citizen's rights that are holding up the Withdrawal Agreement. They have all been agreed for the draft WA.

Buteo but getting back to the original thread of the no Deal, that will go out the window, if the EU let a no deal situation happen then they will have let the EU citizens down

Rosstac you've just been given links evidencing what pp have been saying about the EU's offers. Any response to that?

And I note that you are still saying the EU is responsible for the consequences of the UK's decision to leave, as in'if the EU let 'No Deal happen then it's their fault'. No, it isn't. The UK chose to leave. It's up to them to make it work.

I asked you a question yesterday Rosstac , you never came back with a reply , what would make your life better ? There I have asked it again , as I know we all sometimes miss stuff on fast moving threads [smile[

pointythings it is not there responsibility to make it work, What not even for the sake of EU citizens, I thought that is who they are meant to represent.

frumpety I will get back to you, it will be a long post

Rosstac it's not the EU proposing no deal. It's the UK threatening to walk away (all that "no deal is better than a bad deal" rhetoric) that proposes a no deal. The EU has been clear that it will not give the UK preferential access to the SM if the UK is outside the SM and CU.

If it comes to no deal, the EU27 will weather it an awful lot better than the UK.

Of course it's the UK's responsibility. The EU made a generous offer that would have sorted the issue of citizen's right. The UK refused it. So it's now up to the UK to sort things out. Because they chose to leave and they chose to refuse to sort this out right at the start and use EU citizens like me as bargaining chips instead.

You can be sure that the EU will act to protect its citizens in the UK in the event of a No Deal Brexit, if the UK chooses to do anything that is in contravention to international law. It would be an almighty mess, though.

The UK has been like the boy who cried wolf. It's been whine, whine, whine for special deals for 43 years. We still have a Government whining for special deals - we don't want Freedom of Movement for your citizens, but for ours, yes please. We don't want to be subject to ECJ rules, but we do want you to recognise the jurisdiction of our courts in EU/UK disputes and on. Eventually the rest of the EU have lost patience and said 'enough. Leave then'.

It's been whine, whine, whine for special deals for 43 years
I dont see why the UK should ever have rolled over and accepted our EU overlords rule. I certainly dont see why we should do so now. Thankfully we are leaving and they wont have to put up with our 'whingeing' for much longer. Its win win.

fangirl you are the epitome of a stereotypical Leaver that speaks only in sound bites and rhetoric.

I've never seen you post anything of substance.

Nothing that address the problems of actually Leaving.

I realise it's because you couldn't give a toss about trivia like that but it is going to bite you on the arse very soon.

@Walkingdeadfangirl

Totally agree with this, lets s how leavers feel in a few years time.

I hope we don't get to the stage where we are looking back after two years after having left.

I've never seen you post anything of substance
I am not sure what there is to post. Hard core remainers believe it will be bad, full stop, there is nothing that Leavers can say that will change their mind.

Maybe you think the UK is some crippled country that needs the EU to look after it, maybe you dont like the UK and want us to be the US of EU, maybe you are one of the wealthy elite who feeds off the EU gravy train or maybe you just dont like the current government. Who knows. Its like OCD, if it cant be explained to you in a detailed way you decide is acceptable you will run around claiming the sky is falling in.

We all lived through the detailed drama of Project Fear explaining remainers wringing of hands. And yet Leavers said, ok its worth the risk we think leaving is worth the risk. So I am relaxed about Brexit, as long as it happens. I am relaxed about some turbulence. I am looking forward to being an independent UK, the trade deals we will do around the world (including with the EU) and taking control of our countries future.

Sorry if I dont genuflect to your doom and gloom. Or that I am a "stereotypical Leave". We are in the majority you know!

Are you looking forward to being a vassal state of the USA fangirl?

Walking dead what is your solution to the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland or do you accept that the UK breaches the international peace treaty?

What is your solution to the WTO quotas that the EU member states (including the UK) currently trade with other countries (eg Australia and New Zealand) and will have to be divided up between the EU 27 and the UK - what should the UK share be?

What is your solution to the EU rules that govern Member States' aviation (every aspect from the smallest plane part to the pilot qualification to the routes our aviation industry fly) and will result in any UK aviation part/job/air route no longer being recognised as safe because we will be outside the EU regulatory body, and have no recognised UK regulatory body?

Ditto insurance cover
Ditto road haulage licenses
Ditto medicines and drug research and sourcing drugs from the EU
Ditto all nuclear matter currently regulated by Euratom, including that used in cancer treatments.

All these points have always been known as affected by the UK leaving the EU. All these points, nd others, need a plan. We are looking to leavers, including those who led the various campaigns, to explain how these known points are to be dealt with.

As someone who wants to leave the EU you expect the UK to be successful, I assume, so how will leave supporters/leaders avoid no aviation, minimal road haulage, delays at customs posts, poor/no supply of medicines, no nuclear material for cancer treatments etc.

You say it will be a success, so what does leaving the EU look like for the UK. It is not a matter of negotiation just 'vote leave won, now leave with no ties' and that will mean ?what.