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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 16:30

ration cards would be like a plastic credit card and issued on the basis of National Insurance No.

Hardly the most accurate database in the UK. Did they ever sort out the duplicate numbers ? (or even worse, duplicate names ?)

SusanWalker · 11/07/2018 16:34

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woman11017 · 11/07/2018 16:40

@faisalislam
They would not have done this had the EU Withdrawal Bill not already passed... so who has leverage now?
It’s why some MPs could not believe that the PM chose to return to it last month

@zachjourno
BREAKING: Rees Mogg amendment (one of four) to Trade Bill that would make Northern Ireland backstop illegal. Some interesting names on here - this is war

With Repel Bill through, it's over folks.

prettybird · 11/07/2018 16:40

So how would NI numbers calculate the size of a family and therefore the required amount of rations? Confused Given that you only get an NI number at 15 Hmm (And which is why I have an unusual number as we got back from NZ when I was 15 and had to have one issued especially).

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 16:52

steve hawkes@steve_hawkes
EXCL It's WAR - Jacob Rees Mogg and the ERG table four amendments to the trade bill to block Chequers (the DUP has backed one )
www.thesun.co.uk/news/6752805/theresa-may-faces-tory-rebellion-on-brexit-as-jacob-rees-mogg-leads-bid-to-formally-block-chequers-plan/
Theresa May faces Tory rebellion on Brexit as Jacob Rees-Mogg leads bid to formally block Chequers plan

The leading Brexiteer and his followers have tabled four amendments to the Trade Bill being debated next week

Beth Rigby@BethRigby
Amendments to trade bill. You’ve heard about Brino right? Brexiteer says we’re about to have Lino too.... leader in name only. Breixteers intent on defenestrating May in parliament

What happens next; How No 10 and the Brexiteers are wargaming their next moves & a new addition to the Brexit lexicon, Lino (Leader in name only)

Why did Lidington try to sell #Chequers to Labour? One Brexiteer describes it as a re-run of 1971 when former Labour chancellor Roy Jenkins led his rebels to vote with Tory PM Ted Heath to take Britain into the Common market >

www.ft.com/content/cd50403a-146f-11e7-b0c1-37e417ee6c76
Article 50: a legacy overturned
A thought for the former politicians who fought to take the UK into Europe

Why have the Brexiteers' nicknamed May Lino (leader in name only). Because they don't like Brino and they are going to make their displeasure felt. "You can't run a parliamentary government if you don't have parliament behind you."

So the next question in this #Chequers stand-off is 'how does this end' Brexiteer: "Badly, it ends very badly". Various chaotic outcomes detailed here

news.sky.com/story/in-no-mans-land-with-no-way-out-theresa-mays-brexit-dilemma-11433252
In no man's land with no way out: Theresa May's Brexit dilemma

Events of recent days have shown why the PM called a snap election. She needed a big majority to get a Brexit compromise through.

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 17:02

Financial Times
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56s57 seconds ago

Malta accused of failing to enforce EU anti-money laundering rules

Christopher Hope @christopherhope
BREAKING Donald Trump asked other Nato leaders to spend 4 per cent of their countries' GDP on defence, at meeting on 'burden sharing' this afternoon #NATOSummit2018

The previous agreement was to raise it to 2% which not all countries were doing. Now he wants 4%.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 11/07/2018 17:06

Well we will have to Natexit then won't we? If sending less than 1% of our GDP to the EU meant that we no longer had control over our own money - I don't see how leavers can countenance sending 4% to Nato.

...or I wonder if they will come up with a reason as to why that is fine?

lonelyplanetmum · 11/07/2018 17:06

Events of recent days have shown why the PM called a snap election. She needed a big majority to get a Brexit compromise through.

^ This is interesting. But if that's the case why the red lines and why has she used the extreme rhetoric of the hardest of hard Brexits throughout?

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/07/2018 17:18

OK - now this is a headline that almost makes me wish I was willing to click through and look at the Express:

Lord Tebbit explains brexit truths that may annoy leavers.

Now if my knowledge of thatcherite cabinet ministers is correct - I believe it is a truth universally acknowledged that Norman Tebbit eats babies? I am pretty sure he is on the brexiteer side of the line.
And apparently here he is telling truths that it is acknowledged that leavers wont want to hear - and it is being reported in the Express.

I note they did not decide to capitalise any words in order to convey outrage. Had they followed their usual pattern it should have been Leavers FUMING as Lord Tebbit DESTROYS their beliefs. Obviously the reality of brexit needs to be treated a bit more tastefully than the hysteria fuelled lies they usually enjoy whipping up.

Good stuff.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2018 17:25

Background to the JRM & DUP amendments & guerilla warfare:

They are aiming to run down the A50 clock, without a Withdrawal Agreement

because if there is no WA, the default is no-deal

Laura Kuenssbergg@bbclaurak*
And this is where it will really count - not rumours of confidence vote, but brexiteers starting to block or vote down govt legislation
- with no majority, they can make life impossible for the PM extremely quickly

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2018 17:27

Torygraph have gone full psycho:

Is Theresa May guilty of treason? Plenty of readers think so. Politicians would be wise to listen up

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2018/07/11/theresa-may-guilty-treason-plenty-readers-think-politicians/?utmcampaign=Echobox&utmmmedium=Social&utmsource=Twitter#Echobox=1531289682

BrexitWife · 11/07/2018 17:49

They are aiming to run down the A50 clock, without a Withdrawal Agreement

Yep it feels like it.

But now, does the PM need a vote of the Parliament for the deal?
Aka if she was brave enough, could she get an agreement t with the EU and present it as ‘this is the deal now deal with it’. Or even a ‘this is the deal. The other option is a No Deal. Do you want to be known as the MPs who have taken the country down the drain and led to rationing/weal economy/job losses etc’

I get that JRM and co are pushing to stop her from getting any deal. Theyve done quite well at that game so far.
But would MPs really vote for a no deal KNOWING (because it’s now all well documented) that it will take the country in the shit? Would they vote for no NHS?
It sounds like political suicide to me.

SusanWalker · 11/07/2018 17:57

So how would NI numbers calculate the size of a family and therefore the required amount of rations? confused Given that you only get an NI number at 15 hmm (And which is why I have an unusual number as we got back from NZ when I was 15 and had to have one issued especially)

That's what I was wondering. Although ds' dla award has a number on it that looks identical to a NI number and he's 14, so whether they are issued earlier but you don't get given it until you are 16 I don't know.

Surely though any kind of rations system is going to fail because it will only be announced in a crisis. Although it would be better to get everyone registered just in case in advance, no government would want to do so as it would be a) admitting that brexit is doomed and b) a cause of panic in itself.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2018 17:59

BrexitWife The whole problem is that no-deal can happen regardless of whether MPs vote for it:

No-deal is the default result of A50, which happens if there is no WIthdrawal Agreement approved

If MPs do not get the chance to vote, or if they vote down a WA, the default is no-deal

DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 18:01

Is Theresa May guilty of treason?

Bet she wishes shed slapped them down when it was only "Remoaners" they were attacking ....

DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 18:04

If MPs do not get the chance to vote, or if they vote down a WA, the default is no-deal

Which MPs signed up to last month ? So they can't really complain, can they ?

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2018 18:05

Yes, rationing would be a total disaster, because there would not be the planning and leadtime as there was when it was introduced during WW2.

Also, the civil service seems to have become less competent at managing big schemes
Possibly because politicians keep interfering in the nuts & bolts of policy implementation, rather than asking what resources are needed and then supporting them.

Above all, the politicians in charge today would always put party - and their career within it - far ahead of country.
The govt have lost any sense of public duty and any resemblence of competence

Motheroffourdragons · 11/07/2018 18:07

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Quietrebel · 11/07/2018 18:10

I suppose there's always the option of an emergency withdrawal of A50, isn't there?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 11/07/2018 18:14

Headlines on BBC1 news tonight - world cup semi final

If England win the wc you can kiss goodbye to anything else being discussed for a couple of years. An absolute blessing for any government who can get away with anything. No more burying bad news, you can leave the rotting corpse on patriots lane sweltering in the sun. The nation will be giddy on football cat nip.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 11/07/2018 18:21

Slightly off topic but as long as I'm not adding 2+2 and getting 5 that Mother and Baby data fine company are behind Emma's Diary.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2018 18:22

NI power supply after no-deal ??
imo, no chance the RoI would cut off NI - unless regulations required it or Arlene was particularly irritating
BUT the Civil Service is modelling / wargaming this ...

Jim Pickard@PickardJE (FT writer)
in the event of a totally disruptive rupture with the bloc Whitehall officials fear that power providers in the republic could end the provision of electricity because the UK would no longer be part of the European electricity market...

The solution drawn up by panicked mandarins: thousands of electricity generators would have to be requisitioned at short notice and put on barges in the Irish Sea to help keep the lights on in Northern Ireland

Officials are modelling how they might have to bring back generators from far-flung countries such as Afghanistan – where the UK is still part of Nato-led operations - in order to prevent blackouts.
Shock

OlennasWimple · 11/07/2018 18:24

Place mat king ahead of either the best 90 mins in the last week, or another reason to feel morose

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 18:33

uk.businessinsider.com/labour-bought-new-mothers-data-emmas-diary-2018-7?r=US&IR=T
A company targeted at new mothers is facing a fine for selling data to Labour for its general election campaign

The UK's data watchdog plans to fine Emma's Diary, which offers advice to expectant mothers, £140,000 for selling people's personal information to the Labour Party.

Yep. Its Emma's Diary

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Cailleach1 · 11/07/2018 18:34

New health secretary Matt Hancock received £32,000 in donations from chair of think tank that wants NHS 'abolished'
Matt Hancock received nine donations between £2,000 and £4,000 from free market group, the Institute of Economic Affairs

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-privatisation-donations-matt-hancock-health-secretary-institute-economic-affairs-a8442001.html

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