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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 18:55

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A company targeted at new mothers is facing a fine for selling data to Labour for its general election campaign

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The UK's data watchdog plans to fine Emma's Diary, which offers advice to expectant mothers, £140,000 for selling people's personal information to the Labour Party.
The data was used in Labour's general election campaign in 2017, according to the Information Commissioner's Office, but sharing that information was illegal.
Lifecycle Marketing, the company behind Emma's Diary, claims that it was not given the chance to respond to ICO before the report was published.

Emma's Diary, a company that offers advice to women and new parents, is facing a fine from the UK's data watchdog for selling people's personal information to the Labour party.

The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) said it planned to fine Emma's Diary £140,000 for selling information about its users illegally to data broker Experian for Labour to use during its general election campaign.

Lifecycle, the company which owns Emma's Diary, has disputed the findings.
Emma's Diary 'handed over more than 1m records' to Labour

Emma's Diary bills itself as "one of the UK's leading baby clubs for mums-to-be, providing expert advice on every aspect of pregnancy and childcare." Its website states that Emma's Diary has a circulation of 870,000 a year.

Mums and parents-to-be who sign up with the site receive money-off vouchers for shops like Argos, and gift packs.

According to the ICO, Emma's Diary handed over more than 1 million records to Experian under a data supply agreement listing the Labour Party as Experian's client.

The records included:

<span class="italic">The name of the parent, household address</span>
<span class="italic">The presence of children up to 5 years old</span>
<span class="italic">The dates of birth of both mother and child.</span>

The information was then supplied to Labour for targeted marketing, and to send political ads to people with young children for 106 parliamentary seats, the ICO said.

Deputy information commissioner Steve Wood told the Guardian on Tuesday that the ICO had, "really significant concerns about how Emma’s Diary was gathering the data, particularly involving mothers who were in hospital."

Now, about my distaste and utter contempt for Bounty...

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Cailleach1 · 11/07/2018 18:57

Soz if already posted. Never understood how some people are susceptible to Johnson's cons charms.

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/other/the-germans-hate-him-remembering-boris-johnsons-time-as-foreign-secretary

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 19:05

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Sorry

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 19:07

I be drinking beer, watching the football and still Westminstendering....

Ian Dunt @IanDunt
Funny thing about no-deal. It is so vigorously insane that objections to it can seem hysterical. But they are simply a statement of reality. Latest example...

Jim Pickard @PickardJE
You'll already be familiar with some of the no deal planning, which was the subject of a classic @ShippersUnbound front page over a month ago - featuring potential shortages of fuel, medicine and food

but there's another little-known element of worst-case No Deal, which is pretty extraordinary: when I told one colleague about it he asked: "Have you been drinking?"

on this occasion, the answer was "no"

until now, you may not have paid too much attention to the single electricity market on the island of Ireland, one of the legacies of the Good Friday Agreement: in short, a large amount of power in Northern Ireland comes from south of the border...

in the event of a totally disruptive rupture with the bloc Whitehall officials fear that power providers in the republic could end the provision of electricity because the UK would no longer be part of the European electricity market...

The solution drawn up by panicked mandarins: thousands of electricity generators would have to be requisitioned at short notice and put on barges in the Irish Sea to help keep the lights on in Northern Ireland: here's my story
www.ft.com/content/dcd8bb09-d583-3407-9209-942ab7915513

Officials are modelling how they might have to bring back generators from far-flung countries such as Afghanistan – where the UK is still part of Nato-led operations - in order to prevent blackouts.

of course, some will dismiss this as Project Fear part II. But one government official said the idea of electricity barges in the Irish Sea was one of the most “gob-smacking” elements of no-deal preparations...

I promise not to tweet about the logistics of power distribution networks between 7pm and 9.30 pm this evening

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 11/07/2018 19:08

I bloody love Trippier. Not least because I get to shout at the TV that there's no need for the French accent when saying it Grin

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 11/07/2018 19:08

I be drinking beer, watching the football and still Westminstendering....

Snap

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 19:11

Chris Grey @chrisgreybrexit
Are the ERG trying to 'bind the PM's hands in the negotiations'? I thought that was a defiance of 'the will of the people'.

Charles Tannock @CharlesTannock
The DUP with ERG Brextremists are indeed trying by statute to prevent any NI only Backstop arrangement so in effect jeopardising the Withdrawal Agreement making an October no deal more likely. Utterly reckless and disloyal to HMG & @theresa_may

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WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 11/07/2018 19:11

No beer yet, but football & Westminstenders here tooGrin

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/07/2018 19:13

Utterly reckless and disloyal to HMG & @theresa_may

So it;s time to turn the torygraph question around. Are the ERG committing treason?

(well - yes, obviously - but will they be tried?)

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 19:13

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/immigration-uk-home-office-child-separation-detention-centre-migrants-a8442716.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1531329249
Dad unlawfully separated from three-year-old daughter while in immigration detention paid £50,000 by Home Office

'The total disregard for the individual, which is symptomatic of the government's hostile environment policy, as this case shows, extends, even to, the most vulnerable in society: children separated from their parent and in care'

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SusanWalker · 11/07/2018 19:19

Also footballing and mning. I really hope we win because DS has had a difficult few weeks and England winning is really cheering him up. And because if things get really bad after brexit the government can melt down the trophy along with the crown jewels and bribe our way back into the EU.

BrexitWife · 11/07/2018 19:23

Well I’m hoping England isn’t going to win.
Because then they will play against France and my two dcs have already told me they will get a bloody hard time at school in the Monday because of that (and regardless of the result).

So yes I’m not looking forward to that.

frumpety · 11/07/2018 19:40

Quick question and possibly a stupid one , so if we end up with no deal , we still have to pay money to the EU right ? for all the things we have signed up to previously ?

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 19:40

Re the ICO fining Facebook:

Christopher Wylie @chrisinsilico
This story happened bc women took the lead. The lead journalist @carolecadwalla is a woman. The UK Information Commissioner is a woman. The lead team at the Guardian are women. My lawyer @tamsinallen1 is a woman. A lot of tech bros ignored this until women showed us it mattered.

Interesting comment, especially since Westministenders was very much following from the beginning too...

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 19:42

Quick question and possibly a stupid one , so if we end up with no deal , we still have to pay money to the EU right ? for all the things we have signed up to previously ?

I think the answer to that one, will be what ever is decided by a court somewhere. Or because we have no choice if we want food.

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frumpety · 11/07/2018 19:45

Thanks Red , just feel the general dialogue in the redtops is , no deal means you can swivel for the 40bn, which unsurprisingly I don't believe is quite accurate.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 11/07/2018 20:04

Just saw a tweet which said if we left and then wanted back in we wouldn’t be allowed until at least 2024 and maybe even 2029 because of the EU’s legislative periods.
Is this true?????

SusanWalker · 11/07/2018 20:12

Did anyone else notice the Facebook ad? Coincidence, I think not.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2018 20:12

It took over 10 years to get in the first time (partly due to DeGaulle's objections - I remember the cartoons)

However, this time probably several members would be objecting

The only chance I see for the EU to agree a quick rejoin is within a few weeks of no-deal Brexit meltdown, to save the UK from complete disaster

Otherwise, it could take 20 years+, because the EU wouldn't agree until UK public opinion and politicians change massively into becoming enthusiastic for the EU, rather than grudgingly accepting it as an alternative to economic disaster

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 11/07/2018 20:18

Oh my goodness. I was naively thinking worst case was a terrible few months and then a quick rejoin. Sad

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 20:34

DH is sulking.

I said. "I'm not liking this. Croatia look like they are about to score"

Boom

I can't bare to watch anymore. I'm listening to the neighborhood screaming and wailing at their TVs instead.

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 20:37

I could do without the neighbours kids murdering the national anthem mind.

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2018 20:40

scooby The current young generation will be screwed
It'll be their kids who get back in

BrexitWife · 11/07/2018 20:40

Agree with BCF.
The U.K. has been such a pain, before Brexit with all the special demands (that they got too!) and after the vote (showing a total lack of understanding of how the EU works amongst other things) that I doubt the EU will be happy to open it’s arms to the U.K. again.
Unless it’s in their interest (eg a complete meltdown leading to political disarray and instability)

woman11017 · 11/07/2018 20:41

Oh my goodness. I was naively thinking worst case was a terrible few months and then a quick rejoin

ukandeu.ac.uk/fact-figures/when-did-britain-decide-to-join-the-european-union/

12 years to get in and that was without being a regime of batshit crazy cracker orange lodge male chauvinist pimps.

I do hope the Fatherland wins manballs. Although with these 2 teams it's difficult to work out which one is which.

Fun idea for us kitchen dwellers: compare human rights breaches against women in Croatia and England for the rest of their kicking spree.

www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/croatia/report-croatia/

www.abouthumanrights.co.uk/uk-breaches-human-rights-law.html