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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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SusanWalker · 11/07/2018 12:04

Does anyone else think Lidington looks like a father Christmas elf?

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 12:30

Ross Kempsall @ rosskempsall
NEW - I understand Cabinet ministers were shown the draft Brexit White Paper at 6PM today and told to make their views known to Number 10 by 10AM tomorrow morning

This is from 13hrs ago

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BrexitWife · 11/07/2018 12:55

Now I know, the Brexiters are cats....

Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 13:20

I'll never stop pointing it out, but a lot of land in England is still held by the families of William the Bastards mates from 1066. Or to put it another way, the English ruling class have maintained a hold on power for 1,000 years. Through plague, war, famine, insurrection, religious turmoil, and frequent changes of Royal house.

William the Bastard's family were utterly, utterly ruthless with no concern whatsoever for humanity. Its not terribly surprising that his desendants who hold on to power survived in someways, on the basis of that trait and belief ingrained in their upbringing and genetics.

Having said that, virtually everyone with British Ancestry that goes back a few generations is related in some way to William the Bastard. And if they aren't related to him and have European ancestry, they are likely to be related to Charlemange. Who was Willie's ancestor anyway.

Point being that the number of people who populated Britain and Europe in the middle ages was pretty low and the death rate was high. This tended to favour those from certain families to begin with and they were the ones who were able to populate the country.

If you weren't part of the family and/or in favour (and thus ended up tied by marriage anyway), you were either killed or starved around a couple of key generational points in our history.

Being on 'the wrong side of history' tends to mean you were a victim of tyranny, rather than an oppressor. (Thus you should perhaps be suspicious of those who us the term rather than see them as great progressives cos its not got a brilliant precident to fall back on). History is written by those who live, not those who die.

If you put it another way everyone has an ancestor at some point who was a nasty shit head or an appeaser who turned their head away from something pretty damn nasty, in an act of trying to survive the brutality of the tyrants.

The history of human survival is littered with the success of scumbags which has since been glorified into heroics by revisionists.

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topcat1980 · 11/07/2018 13:26

Red,

William basically gifted land in England to others that came over with him. That was one of the points of the Doomsday book, to make a record of who owned it previously and who owns it now.

Less than around 160,000 families , own two thirds of the country, most of them from the time of the Battle of Hastings.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 13:28

It is very unsurprising.

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 13:43

www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2018/07/daniel-hannan-my-view-of-mays-new-brexit-plan-its-just-about-better-than-no-deal-but-this-far-and-no-further.html
Daniel Hannan: My view of May’s new Brexit plan. It’s just about better than No Deal. But now a line in the sand must be drawn.

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SkivingSnackbox · 11/07/2018 13:48

BrexitWife Grin

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 13:53

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Awkward. Arriving at #NATOSummit, Trump offers his hand to Theresa May - who doesn’t shake it but introduces him to Jeremy Hunt instead. Purposeful snub to avenge Turmoil-gate, or just a social bungle?

You really think that given how much attention is given to The Trump Handshake and How To Beat The Trump Handshake this is a social bungle???

My favourite two Trump Handshakes are the one where Macron leaves a thumb print and the one where a leader (Eastern European? I forget who) physically pulls Trump towards him in an aggressive manner.

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 13:57

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Awkward 2: Trump and May are seated next to each other in the summit room, all afternoon long. So lots of time to discuss his admiration for Boris and why the UK is in turmoil

Did no one else want to sit next to him? And did May get the short straw because no one likes her?

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DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 14:05

Did no one else want to sit next to him? And did May get the short straw because no one likes her?

After her gushy show when he was elected, it would serve her right that everyone jams them as close as possible.

Never, ever, was there a more apposite example of Fools rush in ...". In this case, also illustrating the concept of "Hoist with your own petard ...". Dual purpose exemplars. What's not to love ?

DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 14:09

On Rushing In, there was a Yes Prime Minister, where the hapless Hacker was counselled against fawning over a newly installed (dictator) Head of State - particularly against allowing him to meet the Queen.

What if he's another Idi Amin ? warns Humphrey.

(Those with a memory as anal as mine will recall the plot device of the leader of the newly independent African country giving a speech urging the oppressed Irish, Scots and Welsh to throw off the yoke of their imperial overlords ....)

DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 14:11

Seems an appropriate comment on how Brexiteers magically know everything Leavers voted for ...

Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
SusanWalker · 11/07/2018 14:33

Just a thought. With the news today about the UK stockpiling tinned goods in case of a no deal brexit, what ID do you think you'd need to get a ration card?

We have out of date passports, but that's it. I have just been rethinking contingency plans as I think we may crash out by accident at this rate.

DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 14:37

what ID do you think you'd need to get a ration card?

Is it per person, or per household ?

Bear in mind, I doubt we have the base data to work such a system (as Windrush shows).

prettybird · 11/07/2018 14:41

Are we going to have to queue (what a lovely quintessentially British activity Wink) to register as households in order to receive our rations? Hmm

Are we going to have to Dig for Victory Brexit too? I've already got a head start with my raised beds and greenhouse Grin

BrexitWife · 11/07/2018 14:52

Susan i would get up to date passport.
Lots of reasons for that incl being able to prove your identity AND your citizenship.

BrexitWife · 11/07/2018 14:56

Talking to some friends in mine in franceand explaining how actually prepping and stockpiling food is a good idea for us atm, I got some Confused and Hmm followed by horror when they finally ‘got’ what I was talking about.
Meanwhile, in the U.K., most people think I’m totally crazy and Brexit just won’t happen so I shouldnt stress.

The Sun article has been taken by The Week too, explaining how it’s now necessary to start stockpiling medications etc...
Maybe the penny is going to drop....

ConstantlyCold · 11/07/2018 15:23

Maybe the penny is going to drop....

I think it’s going to have to get a lot worse before the penny drops.

I’m gutted about the almost inevitable need to start growing your own food. I’ve just about got my garden looking good. I really don’t fancy digging it up to plant rows of potatoes instead.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 15:26

Laura Kuennsberg @ bbclaurak
1. Brexit White Paper contains plan for a 'joint institutional framework'- cabinet source says - Brexiteers not happy, some push even for more edits to document today - concern that additional detail of paper sketches out even closer relationship with EU than Chequers implied
2. We'll see in its full glory/disaster tomorrow (delete as applicable) - govt finally, in detail, spelling out what it wants, or at least it's starting point in negotiation to try - the White Paper matters for what the EU, Tory Party, and Parliament ready to accept

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 15:30

Guido Fawkes @ guidofawkes
Labour Party's Data Broker Fined £140,000 By Information Commissioner:
t.co/g7aOznLBxI

The company mentioned in this document is called 'Lifecycle Marketing (Mother and Baby) Ltd

I know nothing about this company, but I wonder who they collect data on....

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DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 15:33

Brexit White Paper contains plan for a 'joint institutional framework'

see also "common rule book" ?

The problem is, AIUI, that neither of these things actually exists at the moment. And they will cost money to set up 100% of which the UK is on the hook for. And that's all assuming the EU wants to proceed that way anyway.

Which, (again AIUI) they don't.

Can anyone answer my query upthread of what was the point of the parliamentary pantomime we were forced to endure recently, if Brexiteers are still whinging ? Surely the government has all it needs to ram whatever it wants to into law, and damn the torpedoes ?

DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 16:01

Some new products in Private Eye this week:

Turd Polish
Rees Mogadon (for insomniacs)
Vassal-ine

and my favorite ...

The Quitbit - the ideal gadget for the minister on the move ...comes with two faces and lasts as long as a ministerial career (8 hours)

SusanWalker · 11/07/2018 16:26

The trouble is I can't afford to renew my passport atm and definitely not three of them.

Let's hope my lottery ticket comes through for me tonight. I could then go on holiday in April next year and then see if I want to come back or not.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2018 16:27

RNorth's blog some months ago:
ration cards would be like a plastic credit card and issued on the basis of National Insurance No.

Which would allow winnowing of those adults who don't have one Hmm
I presume some arrangement for kids

It was pointed out on the blog that power cuts could mean this won't work sometimes.

Also, there is the whole horror of govt rolling out a new IT scheme that MUST work & MUST be delivered on time ....
I wonder if they went for the cheapest offer
Hence why there may be paper ration cards as backup, somewhere in govt vaults

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