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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 16:47

I know two people at my primary/middle school whose parents left the UK in the 1970s as part of the brain drain. All I remember is their fathers were some sort of scientists.

I doubt they returned.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2018 16:48

Yup, non-EU spouses have the right to live with their EU spouse in any EU country
It's only the UK who is removing this right

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2018 16:58

I vaguely remember the brain / talent drain of the late 1960's, after PM Harold Wilson increased tax on investment income to 98%.
They didn't return.

There's already been a brain "trickle" since the EU ref among scientists to Germany
And several months backlog for overall Brit applications for German citizenship.

As well as businesses, mobile mc professionals and skilled workers will also be starting to leave in greater numbers soon.

Of course, several prominent Brexiters already have prepared their boltholes and investments abroad, often in the EU

BrexitWife · 13/07/2018 17:02

BigChoc tbf eu citizens have never had that right anyway.

They’ve been staying in the uk under the FoM but have never had their right to stay associated with being married to a Brit (see the fact that to get PR, the fact your spouse is british has no bearing. But if you are here with an eu citizen, then it has Hmm)

However, most eu countries would allow a spouse (even if they non eu) of an eu citizen to stay and live in that country (so got a visa etc...) because they are married to said eu citizen.
Whereas the rules and regulations to bring a spouse in the uk as a Brit are very complex and nowehere near straight forward.
The logic would say that when the U.K. will be a third country, the same rules will apply to british people (and therefore to their right to stay in said EU country )

LookTwoFingers · 13/07/2018 17:11

I see a protest umbrella on this dry sunny day.

DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 17:14

^I vaguely remember the brain / talent drain of the late 1960's, after PM
Harold Wilson increased tax on investment income to 98%.^

I think that was Dennis Healey in the mid 70s. Not that it would have troubled our little family.

The main reason I recall for the Brain Drain was simply that scientists were extremely unlikely to become tax exiles, despite being highly skilled. And it's probably a little simplistic to imagine the Brain Drain ever stopped. Arguably my DB is a latter day brain drainer, having got his PhD in very high tech sciences (he had several CRAY systems to play with in his work) and become (rather at their insistence) a US citizen.

Being in the EU was an offset to the Brain Drain, as FoM meant people didn't have to emigrate as they did in the 60s and early 70s. It would be interesting to speculate whether the process ever really slowed down ? There's never been a British Dream to aspire to. Possibly an English one of warm beer, thwack of leather on willow (and cricket too Smile), honey for tea, and the chipper working classes knowing their place. But it's hardly aspirational.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 13/07/2018 17:16

@politiCOHEN_
BREAKING- special robert mueller indicts 12 russian nationals for hacking of DCCC, DNC & hilary clinton’s presidential campaign, and releasing it as DCleaks and guccifer 2.0

woman11017 · 13/07/2018 17:17

Pictures show giant penis protest which greeted Donald Trump on top of Coombe Hill during Chequers lunch with Theresa May
He should have got a good view of it on the way to the demonstrations.
www.bucksherald.co.uk/news/pictures-show-giant-penis-protest-which-greeted-donald-trump-on-top-of-coombe-hill-during-chequers-lunch-with-theresa-may-1-8567206

Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 13/07/2018 17:22

Also breaking:

@SkyNews
Source of Amesbury novichok found in victim's house

SusanWalker · 13/07/2018 17:52

Trump managed to walk down the steps without holding the queens hand. Mind you i noticed she carried her handbag in that hand, then swapped it over at the bottom of the steps. I also noticed that the queen was wearing EU blue, but that is probably just a coincidence.

lonelyplanetmum · 13/07/2018 17:53

Brenda doesn't always carry a handbag- she was probably armed with one deliberately.

SusanWalker · 13/07/2018 17:57

From today's i

Some 400 NHS-trained international GPs are at risk of being deported this month unless sponsors are found in time to secure their visas. NHS England has reached out to GP practices in an “urgent” bid to find sponsors for the non-EEA students in the GP training system, who are due to qualify at the end of July. It had hoped to be able to act as a “proxy sponsor” itself to secure the visas for the newly-qualified GPs but an email seen by Pulse magazine said NHS England was “unlikely” to be able to do so. Unless these are matched with GP practices that hold sponsorship licenses, they face having to leave England when their visas expire – despite the £163,000 cost to the taxpayer of training just one doctor. The alert, sent by Surrey Health Education Network to Epsom and St Helier University Hospitals NHS Trust said: “As you may be aware, NHS England is in discussions with the Home Office about acting as a proxy sponsor of visas for GPs from non-EEA countries. ADVERTISING “Due to the complexity of these discussions, NHS England is unlikely to be able to offer visa sponsorship to the 400+ non-EEA nationals who are due to complete their GP training at the end of the month. Therefore they are hoping to urgently identify any practices that currently hold a sponsorship licence so that they can be matched up with any newly qualified non-EEA GPs that wish to remain in England.” Cap removed The news comes as the Home Office recently announced that it will remove the cap on the number of international doctors and nurses who can be granted a “tier 2” visa to work in the UK following intense lobbying from the medical profession. Doctors who had been offered jobs by NHS hospitals desperate to fill rota gaps were being blocked from coming to the UK by the Home Office because visa quotas for non-EU immigrants set seven years ago were already full, i revealed earlier this year. Professor Helen Stokes-Lampard, chair of the Royal College of GPs, said: “There is still a swathe of arduous and costly red tape facing GP practices before they are able to employ GPs from outside of the EU – even if they have been trained in the UK. We presented the Home Secretary with the distressing example of a GP coming to the end of his GP training in the UK, but being forced to consider leaving the country, and thus the NHS as, despite receiving job offers, he could not find a GP practice with a licence to sponsor him for the Tier 2 visa necessary for him to stay. “It is certainly disappointing to read reports that plans for NHS England to act as a ‘proxy sponsor’ for GP practices, to enable them to hire GPs from overseas – something the College supported – is ‘unlikely’, and if this is the case, it’s imperative that an alternative solution is found swiftly, for the sake of our profession, the sustainability of the wider NHS, and the care we are able to deliver to our patients.” NHS England and the Home Office had yet to respond to requests for comment. Earlier this year, official figures showed the number of full-time equivalent GPs in the workforce has decreased by more than 1,000 since September 2015 – when then-health secretary Jeremy Hunt announced he would increase the number in England by 5,000 by 2020.

Read more at: inews.co.uk/news/health/hundreds-nhs-doctors-deportation-risk-visa/

lonelyplanetmum · 13/07/2018 17:58

I was just chatting with an American Mum in another class at school who was wearing a "Love the Trump Hate" badge.

She was talking about her relatives who voted for Trump. Her first comment was "they just don't understand, they don't get it -they're pretty uneducated."

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 17:58

The President of the united states, who was elected in an election which now has 12 russian spies indicted, and maybe implicated himself is currently trying to interfere in referendum vote which looks like it might have been affected by similar methods is due to meet Putin soon and has described dealing with Putin as easier than anything else he has to deal with.

Who is going to bet that there won't be another press conference?

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woman11017 · 13/07/2018 18:06

special robert mueller indicts 12 russian nationals
U.S. Department of Justice explanation of what has been discovered.
www.justice.gov/live

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 18:09

Greg Olear @gregolear
Guccifer 2.0 exchanged billets-doux with Roger Stone, who will likely join his old partner Paul Manafort in the hoosegow.

We're one remove from Wikileaks, a front for the Russian GRU, being officially implicated. Wikileaks has close ties to Junior & Sean Hannity.

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RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 18:12

Brad Heath @bradheath
Russian intelligence officers also communicated with a "U.S. person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump." (It matches the timeline on Roger Stone: www.newsweek.com/how-stone-interacted-russias-guccifer-and-wikileaks-673268)

Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
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RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 18:15

Polly Sigh @dcpoll
Indictment of 12 Russian GRU Officers includes 11 criminal counts:
1: Conspiracy to commit an offense against the US through GRU cyber ops/staged release of stolen docs to interfere in the 2016 election.
2-9: Aggravated identity theft
10: Money laundering
11: Hacking
#Maddow

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woman11017 · 13/07/2018 18:16

Lock them up.

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 18:24

Mayor Rudy Giuliani @RudyGiuliani
The indictments Rod Rosenstein announced are good news for all Americans. The Russians are nailed. No Americans are involved. Time for Mueller to end this pursuit of the President and say President Trump is completely innocent.

Someone sounds worried and is trying to close it down.

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woman11017 · 13/07/2018 18:30

Rosenstein's defence of the Rule of Law in that DOJ press conference is excellent. Imagine if that could happen here..............

PineappleSunrise · 13/07/2018 18:42

I have kept wondering what made Giuliani lose it and side with Trump. He's sounded utterly unhinged since he decided to go all-in supporting the Donald - surely he realised long ago that this day would come?

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