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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2018 15:18

(RTE) Exclusive; EU warns states to step up preparations for no-deal Brexit scenario

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/0713/978465-brexit/

A stark and detailed internal EU document has warned all member states, companies and stakeholders to step up preparation for a no-deal Brexit scenario.

The 15-page draft, seen by RTÉ News, issues strongly worded guidelines to the 27 member states to deepen contingency planning for the UK crashing out of the EU in March next year without a deal.

It paints a picture of long lines of freight traffic at ports, and implications for pharmaceuticals, financial services and aviation.

It is understood the paper was drafted two days ago, ahead of the publication of the UK's White Paper on the future relationship yesterday,
but after the three-page Chequers Statement on Friday 6 July.

It will be circulated to all EU institutions, including the European Central Bank, and the remaining 27 member states.
…
The document was drawn up by a new unit on "preparedness" set up within the European Commission and which operates parallel to the Article 50 Task Force under chief negotiator Michel Barnier.
< afaik, this unit is headed by Selmayr, who has long sounded out of patience with the UK >

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 15:19

This is unfortunate.

Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
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woman11017 · 13/07/2018 15:19

calculated to undermine women = He's gained popularity
Mentioned irrelevant immigration many times in the news conference yesterday dos the same. Old tricks are the best tricks. Ask vlad.

Internet signal is normally pretty good round Chequers. Seems odd that so many journos, (with millions of pounds of kit parked up in the farm shop!) found themselves without one during that news conference.

DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 15:19

Elysian Fields ultimately for any Cassandras I believe.Better than the interminable Hades of our present.

"Which the minister would have known, had he not gone to the L.S.E ..." Grin

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 15:22

Internet signal is normally pretty good round Chequers. Seems odd that so many journos, (with millions of pounds of kit parked up in the farm shop!) found themselves without one during that news conference.

This

Laura Kuennsberg @ bbclaurak
I didn’t have any WiFi during that press conference - now back with signal and not quite sure where to start

They didn't switch from WiFi to 4G.

Muppets.

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woman11017 · 13/07/2018 15:24

He just lies and lies and lies, about small things and large
Normalises. Like sports events in murderous corrupt dictatorships. Works a treat.

I don't like this new boss very much. This tour is just a viewing of his new estates.

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 15:24

Jess Phillips @ jessphillips
Does Donald Trump hold hands with Putin, has he ever held hands with Merkel or is just when he's with Theresa May that he hates stairs.

Melania has had a cracking day hanging out with Our Phil playing Crown Green Bowling is six inch stilettos.

But don't worry she's doing a great job of selling the UK to the US as a royal theme park. Shame so few of them have passports.

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woman11017 · 13/07/2018 15:29

has he ever held hands with Merkel
No, but threw sweets at her.
“He eventually agreed and said OK, he’ll sign it. And at that point, he stood up, put his hand in his pocket, his suit jacket pocket, and he took two Starburst candies out, threw them on the table and said to Merkel, ‘Here, Angela. Don’t say I never give you anything.'"
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-threw-starburst-angela-12756336

DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 15:29

Actually the Handmaids picture is very fortunate ... I hope it goes viral Grin

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 15:32

I believe it's doing so as we speak....

It's already on the AIBU thread about May's dress.

I can't work out one of the replies. They seem to be under the impression May really wore a hat like that, and I fear they are serious.

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RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 15:35

Robert Peston @ peston
So in case you thought @theresamay’s tricky day is over, I’ve just seen two rebel Brexiter MPs in Chequers car park, John Penrose and Edward Leigh, and ‘22 bigwig Cheryl Gillan, waiting to hear from @theresamay why her Brexit white paper isn’t the turkey they think it is

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DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 15:37

I can't work out one of the replies. They seem to be under the impression May really wore a hat like that, and I fear they are serious.

Barnums comment is still as true as ever. Rossettis comment is "yes, there really are people that stupid."

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 15:37

Andrew Neil @ afneil
The Trump two step:

Nato Day 1: Bluster
Nato Day 2: Retreat and cover up

UK Visit Day 1: Bluster
UK Visit Day 2: Retreat and cover up

Weaken the truth and create division.

Something for each side to feast on as a 'victory'.

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RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 15:45

May have Trump a really thoughtful gift.

Trump gave May perfume branded MT (Melania Trump).

Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
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woman11017 · 13/07/2018 15:45

In Handmaid News.
Carers denied millions in back wages as court overturns decision that sleep-in shifts should attract minimum wage

Significant victory for struggling care sector which warned two-thirds of employers faced bankruptcy if decision was not reversed
Women paid £30 per night to provide overnight care don't struggle at all Hmm Angry
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sleep-in-carers-court-appeal-mencap-million-back-pay-charities-learning-disabilities-a8445391.html

Motheroffourdragons · 13/07/2018 15:48

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DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 16:07

I have to say though, it is one thing to criticise her dress but it is quite another to photoshop in a bonnet and have her look like that! Now that IS shocking.

When you choose to dance with the devil, you can hardly complain about the music.

Talkstotrees · 13/07/2018 16:10

This is funny :)

twitter.com/andrewbloch/status/1017782729205862400?s=21

BrexitWife · 13/07/2018 16:11

BigChoc that paper is worrying me.
I know they need to put some preparation in place and I know it doesn’t mean things can’t turn round at the very last minute.

But it’s the contingency plans for long queues of traffic, planes, pharmaceuticals and financial.
It’s all the things we have been talking about for aaaages but still felt somehow remote and unlikely to happen.

I need to prep (and buy a ticket for the ferry before the 30th March).

Mrsr8 · 13/07/2018 16:15

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BrexitWife · 13/07/2018 16:32

Mrsr8 Situation hmmm... tense here at home.

If I need to leave, I will do it with the dcs. And even if H doesn't want to come/is unable to.
At least until things have settled down a bit re food etc. We can stay away wo any major issue for about 5 weeks (with hols for the dcs etc etc). Not helped by the fact both dcs are teens are preparing exams!

Then I will reassess.

How to deal with Brexit and potentially leaving the country if/when we are separated is part of my preparations.
So is moving as much money as possible on an euro account outside the U.K.
And building up a stock of some foods (we are lucky enough to have a wood burner and some solar panels too)

I so so hope they will organise something to get a transition period! At least it would be bad but not crazyly bad.

BrexitWife · 13/07/2018 16:33

Btw if you have an eu passport, I would be surprised if it was an issue for your DH to stay in the eu with you.
Most European countries, unlike the U.K. , are pretty hot in keeping families together. I would doubt they would give your DH the right documents to be able to stay there with you.

Buteo · 13/07/2018 16:36

deserting the UK in its hour of need.

If it was desserting the UK instead I claim dibs on it being Eton Mess.

CakeCakeCake

Icantreachthepretzels · 13/07/2018 16:37

I can book flights or ferry for me and the kids once our eu passports arrive, but dh?

You'll have to go before crash out day - as all the EU passports in the world won't get you off of an Island that has no flights in or out, and roads up to ports (and then the ports themselves) blocked.

As the spouse of an EU citizen, your dh is able to live in any EU country with you.

Just as long as he agrees to leave with you...