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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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woman11017 · 13/07/2018 14:34

He is just about to repeat a fib about his 'prediction' at Turnberry that James o Brien pointed out was a fib 2 hours ago on his programme.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2018 14:35

Well, May leapt to invite him
So, she deserves anything she gets (assuming there was no actual pussy-grabbing)
We don't, though

woman11017 · 13/07/2018 14:36

Anyone want to pay fib bingo?

woman11017 · 13/07/2018 14:38

He really is a confused old man, he's rambling again, 'talking nuclear'. Time for his nap I would have thought.

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 14:45

Steve Rosenberg @BBCSteveR
From the sound of it, Donald Trump blames Barack Obama more than Vladimir Putin for Russia annexing Crimea. Remarkable.

Lucy Fisher @LOS_Fisher
Trump on May's options in Brexit talks: "She can't walk away. She's stuck. Can't walk away. She can do other things. She can do what my suggestion says. My suggestion was respectfully submitted. She's a tough negotiator.. She's a tough and determined person."

Jennifer Williams @JenWilliamsMEN
‘You can’t walk away, but she can do other things. She can do what I suggested,’ says trump of T May on Brexit, saying he’d much rather have her as his friend than as an enemy.

‘And we are friends,’ says T May quickly

Kate McCann @KateEMcCann
Oh good god he's still talking about Theresa May in the third person while she stands there. This is just awful. "I would much rather have her as my friend than my enemy" he says. May shouts "and we are friends".

Steve Peers @StevePeers
If this is Trump dismissing "no deal" that might be awkward for some of his British fans...

Lucy Fisher @LOS_Fisher
Trump now appears to be rejecting a hard Brexit. What will his ERG fans make of that?

Which no deal? With us or with the EU???

Carl Dinnen @carldinnen
Trump says he wanted to apologise to May over The Sun story & says she replied “Don’t worry, it’s only the press.”

Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound
Fair to say that this press conference has delivered all that we hoped

Ian Dunt @IanDunt
Ok bored now. Feel quite dirty. Don't know how Americans put up with having to watch this guy all the time.

He just lies and lies and lies, about small things and large.

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lonelyplanetmum · 13/07/2018 14:48

Ok bored now. Feel quite dirty. Don't know how Americans put up with having to watch this guy all the time.

Worth remembering that Trumpys approval rating is UP at home-41%.
In the past we could have been superior and incredulous about this.But we voted for the shit that is Brex so we can't really talk can we?

news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 14:49

Peston gets the fail award:

Robert Peston @Peston
That was literally the most amazing press conference I have ever witnessed. Sorry unable to tweet. Lost signal. @theresa_may @realDonaldTrump

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RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 14:51

Lindsey Graham @LindseyGrahamSC
Very strong joint news conference between President @realDonaldTrump and Prime Minister May reinforcing the #SpecialRelationship emphasizing military strength, and economic integration.

A great day for the US-UK relationship. Bad day for enemies of democracy.

Uh, wat?

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DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 14:51

Trump now appears to be rejecting a hard Brexit. What will his ERG fans make of that?

as predicted ...

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 14:52

Sarah Wollaston MP @sarahwollaston
Trump’s infantilising hand-holding on the stairs seems as calculated to undermine women leaders as his bizarre extended macho handshakes for men. @realDonaldTrump is capable of managing stairs, it’s just basic manners that he struggles with. Offer an elbow next time PM

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BrexitWife · 13/07/2018 14:56

If it wasn’t this serious, all Trump remarks would do well in a comedy show.
Donald Trump says he's met Vladimir Putin "maybe two and a half times".
That made me laugh!

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 14:57

(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges
Currently got a lot of Brexiteers on my timeline furious that Trump has just agreed to do a trade deal with the UK. This is the lunacy that now infects the Brexit camp.

In other news that heralds the coming end of the world:

www.sciencealert.com/huge-mystery-sarcophagus-unearthed-in-egypt-alexandria
A Massive, Black Sarcophagus Has Been Unearthed in Egypt, And Nobody Knows Who's Inside
Should we open it?

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prettybird · 13/07/2018 15:01

May says that "for as long as the UK is part of the EU, we will be talking to Germany about the pipeline [from Russia]"

Is that her admitting that the UK will lose influence once it leaves the EU? Hmm

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 15:01

Yes it is pretty

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lonelyplanetmum · 13/07/2018 15:02

Think DGR is Trump's script writer, either that or Melania is a MNetter.

The prediction upthread was " I give great advice, everyone wants my advice. "

Then a few hours later Trump actually said "She can do what my suggestion says. My suggestion was respectfully submitted. "

In the world of soundbites Presidential speeches contain no surprises.

DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 15:03

Currently got a lot of Brexiteers on my timeline furious that Trump has just agreed to do a trade deal with the UK. This is the lunacy that now infects the Brexit camp.

Now I'm confused. Or is he using "Brexiteer" as a synonym for "Leaver" ?

What does Congress say about a trade deal ?

DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 15:05

All very well, but we know what happened to Cassandra ...

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 15:05

Does Congress say a lot these days apart from Yes Mr President ?

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DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 15:06

Well, there are the midterms ...

woman11017 · 13/07/2018 15:07

@GuitarMoog
Bit of a scoop here that the Commission believes Article 50 can be revoked with the agreement of the EU27.
They've so far stuck to their Legal Service's advice that UK cannot revoke A50 unilaterally (many lawyers don't agree), but first time I've seen COM take this line.

John Ling #FBPE #WATON #ABTV@grrrahh
Meeting with the EU commission article 50 task force was scary!

  1. Prevarication with no extension will cause us to crash out on 29/03/19
  2. Article 50 can be stopped with the agreement of the EU27
  3. UK citizens in the EU will be disenfranchised #FinalSayForAll
RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 15:07

Tom Newton Dunn @ tnewtondunn
President Trump: “You reported the good things, too? Oh, that’s ok then”. Phew, we are no longer #FakeNews.

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RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 15:08

Well, there are the midterms ...

a) gerrymandering
b) you've seen Trump's approval rating lately? He's gained popularity. He's more popular than Macron is in France.

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SusanWalker · 13/07/2018 15:14

Brexiteers contradict themselves all the time. When we have a brain drain on the not too distant future, brexiteers who spent hours telling people to go and live in the EU if they didn't like brexit, will be calling the same people traitors for deserting the UK in its hour of need.

lonelyplanetmum · 13/07/2018 15:16

He just lies and lies and lies, about small things and large.

Yup Boris and Farage are loved by many but peddle lies too. Deceit seems to bother some people much more than others. Many people in the electorate really don't mind lies.They buy 'news'papers that peddle them and vote for politicians who survive on them. I wonder if those people have the same standards on a personal level too.

Elysian Fields ultimately for any Cassandras I believe.Better than the interminable Hades of our present.