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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2018 20:41

Except if the chaos after Brexit seems totally non-repairable, in which case the EU might allow us to rejoin as a quick emergency rescue

frumpety · 11/07/2018 20:42

I am shocked they know the words Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2018 20:47

Brexiters plan to force release of David Davis's rival white paper

Backbenchers plan to make PM publish draft she ditched as Tories descend into warfare

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/11/brexiters-bid-to-force-release-of-david-davis-rival-white-paper

The abandoned draft set out something closer to a Canada-style trade deal,
with additional elements drawn < cherry-picked > from other EU agreements, sources told the Guardian
– an alternative to the approach to be set out in the government’s Brexit white paper, due to be published on Thursday.

Backbenchers from the European Research Group (ERG) will table a “humble address” in parliament,
demanding that Davis’s draft be made public, as the Conservative party descends into all-out parliamentary warfare over Brexit.

That is the same tactic Labour MPs used to force the government to publish the Brexit impact papers. Hmm

The ERG hopes to win the backing of a Labour frontbench keen to embarrass the government.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 20:52

I'd love it if they were presented with a blank sheet of paper.

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frumpety · 11/07/2018 20:59

I think they should make DD's draft public , then we can compare and contrast the two, whilst remembering that 27 other countries get the final say on whether they are workable in any way or not.

To be fair DD's draft will have had very little actual input from the great man himself, possibly some input from the lackeys who resigned with him, who lets be honest no-one actually can remember the names of.

Peregrina · 11/07/2018 21:00

Come on now, DD's plans will amount to a sentence on an otherwise blank sheet of paper. "It'll work out somehow."

Peregrina · 11/07/2018 21:00

Had to escape from the football - too painful to watch anymore.

frumpety · 11/07/2018 21:06

Can't watch the football either , feels like a bad omen if I do, been working during the last games , so have holed up in the kitchen Grin

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 21:09

I'm viewing it like this: for one hour we thought we were going to be in final of the world cup. For real.

And I'll take that regardless.

No one thought that possible.

So nothing lost.

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WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 11/07/2018 21:10

Thanks BCF and Woman. I’m (just about) too young to remember joining in the first place and didn’t realise it had been so contentious. I’m desperately sad for my DCs and all our DCs. Sad And very very angry that their future is being pissed away like this.

54321go · 11/07/2018 21:12

One thing we can be sure of, the EU won't be compromising any of their 'red lines'. There is far more at stake for the rest of the EU than Britain 'pratting about'.
I have no idea why the UK would want to stockpile food, there is no immediate 'shortage' but it may well suddenly get 10 percent more expensive (pick a number). I suppose ships and planes being 'grounded' may be an issue given a 'hard' crash out.

SusanWalker · 11/07/2018 21:13

That's what makes me angry too WhatWouldScoobyDoo. My kids have got enough stacked against them as it is, without this shitstorm. But apparently for some people my kids' futures are acceptable collateral damage. Am I bitter, too right i am.

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/07/2018 21:19

News from the Express (I'm not watching the kickball - but I am following the progress by the screams coming form next door) - an economist has summed up brexit talks with a BRILLIANT point... but the point is apparently that it is an embarrassment that Britain has not played on its strengths in negotiations.
Now - whilst we are all probably agreed that Britain didn't actually have any strengths to play - it is interesting that they are putting the blame squarely on our govt - and not the EU.
Another headline is that the French finance chief no fears no deal brexit is closer than ever... but they are not trumpeting this as a 'great lets get out' thing... it actually appears to be a statement of fact. Which the Express, on the whole, do not do.
I'm not sure what side they are coming down on on TM's chequers agreement (and I don't think they know what side they need to come down on, either)... but they do appear to be laying the groundwork for blaming the incompetence of govt for whatever happens and avoiding any 'yes we screamed bullshit at you for 20 years on a daily basis and now you've ruined your lives on our say so' type admissions.

It's not 100% consistent... but they do seem to be beginning to imply that brexit is a disaster - they just want their readers to believe it was a disaster because the govt did a bad job, and not because it was never possible.

Talking of 'it was never possible'
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/11/boris-johnson-brexit-dream-fantasy-leavers
Yet another 'everybody hates Boris' article.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 21:20

I have no idea why the UK would want to stockpile food

We don't produce enough food to feed everyone in this country.

And if we have a hard brexit and lorries take days at Dover, food will rot en route or there will be a major distribution to supply chains.

Remember a lot of the food we eat in this country is also processed, so manufactures need multiple ingredients to arrive at the right time.

Look what happened during the Great Kentucky Fried Chicken Shortage of 2018 when the deliveries all got screwed up by the new company.

Many places will be similar to car manufacturing with 'just in time' supply chains.

And then there's the fuel shortages to think of.

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WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 11/07/2018 21:23

Susan Flowers I wake up at night furious.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 21:25

Red tops and the blue gossip rags are starting to have a tone that they didn't have before. There is doubt in brexit creeping to 'project fear' headlines which smacks of it being real for the first time.

Where readers will notice the shifting tone and then believe it, is another matter

It's the same tone shift to the one in tweets from Brexiteers who no longer deny brexit will be economically painful.

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FootballCoaching · 11/07/2018 21:25

^^

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/07/2018 21:26

And this is good.
www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jul/11/rage-against-the-machine-abhors-nigel-farage-podcast-tag

Any nuisance for Farage is nuisance worth having.

SusanWalker · 11/07/2018 21:27

I know. It makes me even more furious when I think of the children of rich brexiteers like JRM who will continue to get opportunities my kids could only dream of regardless of brexit.

TheElementsSong · 11/07/2018 21:32

Where readers will notice the shifting tone and then believe it, is another matter

They’ll just find a way to spin it as somebody else’s fault.

54321go · 11/07/2018 21:32

A temporary system of allowing food INTO the UK only could be implemented on an 'emergency' basis, waived into the UK with absolute minimum customs (at the UK Gov's discression) while some other basics were sorted out.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 21:33

When political journalists and MPs do football

Tim Shipman @ shippersunbound
We’ve been shit for an hour to be frank

Jane Merrick @ janemerrick23
Hang in there everyone

Ian Dunt @ iandunt
How can this horrible shit be legal

Edward Davey @ edwardjdavey
I’ve never wanted penalties more

Andy Lewis @ lecanardnoir
I’m more of a rugby man.

It's like Brexit, in hyperspeed.

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 11/07/2018 21:33

I too had hope. Then it went. Pretty much sums up the last 3years.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 21:35

Bye bye city

Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 21:36

Sean M Tuffy @ smtuffy
TBF the City gave up that hope like 18 months ago

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