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Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff

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RedToothBrush · 26/06/2018 22:34

Bit late and didn't realise the last thread was so close to the end... so this is a very quick OP

What do you think the secret continency plan name the government have in place for the No Deal?

Suggestions Please

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prettybird · 04/07/2018 11:42

Dh has wickedly suggested that there would be karma in Russia winning against England with a disputed goal involving a German linesman Wink

MrsRRR · 04/07/2018 11:48

I dont give a rubbery fuck about the football

My only concern is the news it buries and the possible UKIP type nationalism if we get past the semis...

DGRossetti · 04/07/2018 11:58

I suspect that if any leave voter had asked any EU politician a question about a policy that affected the UK they would have been given a reply at least close to the truth.

Yes, but few Leave voters were that engaged - or would have understood the answer. Remember the level of "debate" was "take back control", "brown people out", and "bent bananas".

Many (many !!) years ago, DW started studying law, and had some (ing expensive) textbooks. Idly leafing through them one day, I caught reference to EEC (as was) law over UK law. I can't recall the case, but pretty soon after the UK signed up to the EEC, a case came to the UK courts where UK law (it might have been sex discrimination) was at odds with the EEC regulations. After judgement, appeal, and the Law Lords, the result was the notion that as Parliament had ratified the EEC treaty, then it was a clear intention that Parliament intended the UK to comply with the said treaty. And in instances where UK law diverged from EEC rulings, in the absence of Parliaments ruling the UK courts were required to interpret the case assuming the EEC version of the truth.

Or at least that was what I took away from the article. The section of the book it was in was outlining the sources of law in England and Wales, with a note that the evolution of Parliamentary Sovereignty meant that the UKs constitution allowed for quite dramatic changes (i.e. joining the EEC) with no need for adjustment.

Icantreachthepretzels · 04/07/2018 12:03

Yes I'm afraid I really don't want us to do well this time around (sadly already doing much better than usual). Not only do I not like England (the country) very much at the moment - so don't want to see the football team doing well ... but the last thing this country needs is the up swell of nationalism that winning the world cup would bring. And it would be nationalism - not patriotism.

Fortunately it is impossible very unlikely that we will even get to the semi finals final, never mind win... but as Red says, it's a bad time for us to win, politically - so this could well our year.

It's a shame we'll probably go out to Sweden - I would have preferred us to go out to Colombia who aren't even European - but failing that, at least Switzerland who aren't EU. I suppose there's a good chance that Brazil will beat Belgium... so if we do get through then we'll go out to a South American team. But we could go out to Sweden - we might go out to Belgium and then there is the teeniest teeniest outside chance that we'll make it to the final ... and then lose to France. I think we're destined to get booted out by an EU country, unfortunately... and daft as it sounds, that will be bad for public opinion re: Brexit.

Frankly, I wish we hadn't made it through the group stage. Proof - if it were needed - that all remoaners are traitors and saboteurs.

  • Interesting fact: The linesman in 66 wasn't Russian - he was Soviet. He was actually from Azerbaijan.
DGRossetti · 04/07/2018 12:21

I'm and England-in-the-World-Cup fan (with a brief addition of the Euros, when DS was younger).

This is the best they have played since I started watching in 1986.

Maybe a generational thing ? If the current squad reflect modern youth, they'll be a lot less boozy, certainly.

woman11017 · 04/07/2018 12:21

@IanDunt
If you want to lose any happiness you felt about the football, I would recommend you watch MPs celebrating it now.

the possible UKIP type nationalism if we get past the semis
I agree MrsR Good news as that it keeps the funded EDL/FLA in their spiritual homeland, bad news is they will be back in time for a US state visit in July.

@tnewtondunn
Breaking: Sick couple in Salisbury have been poisoned and samples sent to Porton Down for urgent testing - defence sources.

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2018 12:55

What did Jeremy Corbyn talk about today in PMQs?

Buses.

Fucking buses.

Not Esther McVey.

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woman11017 · 04/07/2018 13:01

If you can bear to watch QT, you are a better woman than me, red.

54321go · 04/07/2018 13:05

At least buses are more tangible than unicorns and there really is nothing else to talk about apart from where they are going for their summer hols.

54321go · 04/07/2018 13:07

Actually he could have mentioned a red bus with £350 Million written on it.

annandale · 04/07/2018 13:23

Agree that if the football team reach the final, we can definitively kiss goodbye to any further 'people's vote'. What a strange world.

Strange life also that politicians lead. If I had ever received a letter like that, I would curl into a ball on the floor, unroll for long enough to write my resignation letter and crawl out of the door to go and live in the woods as a hermit. I suppose it's good that politicians appear able to keep going - somebody has to, and there's not space for everyone in the woods - but have they had some kind of procedure? A shamectomy?

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2018 13:32

Kevin Schofield @ polhomeeditor
A UK-wide Bank Holiday should be called if England win the World Cup, a spokesman for Jeremy Corbyn has said.

a) he doesn't think we will win
B) this is in no way controversial in Wales, Scotland or ni
C) little Englanders will love it

As I say, if we win, there will be a national outbreak of stupidity and brains turning to jelly.

But I might be amused at Corbyn trying to promote this idea in Dundee.

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woman11017 · 04/07/2018 13:33

@IanDunt
Quite extraordinary. May has been doing this for years now. But every time she answers a question from a hard Brexiter she seems to almost tremble with nerves.

The latest chemical attack happened on Saturday. BBC R4 world at one covered the story with a long interview with 'Chloe' who lives on the estate,who was asked how she felt about it. No statements from the authorities but the journalist concluded that it 'doesn't feel like a major incident', so it's probably nothing. Wink

Agree that if the football team reach the final, we can definitively kiss goodbye to any further 'people's vote
Why?

DGRossetti · 04/07/2018 14:12

Kane's father was born in Ireland. Dier grew up in Portugal. Sterling was born in Jamaica. Lingard's grandparents came from Saint Vincent. Alli's father is from Nigeria. They represent England.

No better advert for multiculturalism, and the benefits it brings the UK, I'd say.

prettybird · 04/07/2018 14:33

Nadine Dorries getting bent out of shape about the SNP having the temerity to call votes on business that the Government scheduled Confused - the SNP refusing just to nod through austerity cuts.

Contrast this with the 60+ English Tory MPs entered the House last week just to vote at the end of an important debate about the Sewel Convention, none of whom had attended the debate as they were too busy watching the England - Tunisia game, in order to ensure that the Government had the required numbers to vote the Division through (Division 188, 18 June 2018). They didn’t give a shit about an important constitutional debate and vote relating to Scotland, despite allegedly cherishing us, and simply turned up to help their Scottish Tory colleagues vote it through (88-51) after watching the game. Hmm

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SusanWalker · 04/07/2018 14:49

Nadine Dorries' twitter posts are more tabloid than broadsheet. A kind person might say she simplifies things to make them accessible to all. I'm not a kind person. Well not where Nadine is concerned anyway.

SusanWalker · 04/07/2018 14:54

I want us to win the football. I think an english team, with multicultural ancestry winning could shut up the racists. Well maybe. I was watching with ds last night and thinking that in 20 years time we might have English players with polish surnames doing the same.

DGRossetti · 04/07/2018 15:00

Meanwhile, as Penny Mourdant plays to the gallery with a stunt involving sign language (www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-44713274/penny-mordaunt-uses-british-sign-language-in-commons-first), the DWP, MoJ and Department of Health have their arses handed to them by the courts for flagrant discrimination. Including the scarily Brazil-like fact that having won against the DWP and DoH, he had to take the MoJ to court for failing to make reasonable allowances.

www.disabledgo.com/blog/2018/07/campaigner-defeats-third-government-department-on-accessible-information/#.WzyPh3eZM_U

A disabled campaigner has won his third legal case against separate government departments over their failure to provide information in accessible formats.

Graham Kirwan had already secured victories over the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) and the Department of Health.

DWP previously paid him £1,700 damages for refusing to communicate by email over his personal independence payment claim, and in 2015 he was responsible for persuading NHS England to publish its first accessible information standard, thanks to another legal action.

Now he has secured a confidential sum of damages from the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) over its failure to provide accessible versions of the forms he needs to take legal action for disability discrimination under the Equality Act.

(contd)

any PIP applicants will know how 18th century the process is. Parchment forms that need to be filled in with quills and gall-wasp ink by the light of a unicorn in the full moon.

DGRossetti · 04/07/2018 15:03

I think an english team, with multicultural ancestry winning could shut up the racists.

I doubt it.

Didn't Alf Garnett make a distinction between "our" darkies, and "other" darkies ?

(See also: Scottish/British)

SusanWalker · 04/07/2018 15:11

You're right DG. I'm just trying to clutch at straws of hope as things are so depressing at the moment.

DGRossetti · 04/07/2018 15:15

Sorry, PM gallery-playing link in clicky form

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44713274

DGRossetti · 04/07/2018 15:37

www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2018-07-03a.151.3&s=speaker%3A25666#g152.1

My MP, stirring it up ...

DGRossetti · 04/07/2018 15:59

Seems the British have a surprising amount in common with Italy (inc. Sardinia), Spain, and (if my geography is right ... "FELL" ...) Latvia ?

Not sure what it says about us, but intriguingly, it's sort of "middle of the road" ...

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lonelyplanetmum · 04/07/2018 16:15

David Cameron's Twitter replies worth a read ...

Last night I enjoyed a real father and son moment: first, calmly explaining that England and penalty shootouts don't go together, and then the sheer joy, delight and exhilaration at an @England victory! Well done #ThreeLions  Onwards...!

My favourites are about your daughters not being interested then, and leaving your kids in the pub.

woman11017 · 04/07/2018 16:30

leaving your kids in the pub
Quite a nice pub though, in my general manor. Wink

Police fear Wiltshire couple have been exposed to nerve agent

Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley in critical condition as Porton Down runs tests

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/04/wiltshire-unknown-substance-leaves-pair-critically-ill-in-salisbury-hospital

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