Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff

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Bit late and didn't realise the last thread was so close to the end... so this is a very quick OP

What do you think the secret continency plan name the government have in place for the No Deal?

Suggestions Please

I just hide all the AMA threads - deeply tedious and I doubt many are genuine.

Anyway, I'll just leave this here.

Andrea Jenkyns MP
‏*@andreajenkyns*

I delivered this letter to our PM on Friday. I stand united with over 30 colleagues who are concerned with the direction of #Brexit We must be clear to those in the Cabinet & on the back benches, we will not sit back & allow a small minority to dominate.

Does anybody see a pattern to any of this?

Around the turn of the millennia, quite a few newsgroups and discussion sites disappeared in a tsunami of spam. Never to recover. It was obviously being machine generated, but the ultimate effect was simply to poison the well.

Who remembers when every other email was spam ?

If you can't kill the signal, turn up the noise (data slurping obsessives like HMG take note ....).

Anyone remember the "Yes Minister" episode where Hacker demanded to know everything that went on in the department, and had to take 6 red boxes home with single sheet memos about pencil procurement ?

Of course don't ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence. Maybe out there a cam girl, a mortician, a mother in law and a residential lettings agent really did go to a pub one day, and say "I know what. Let's all post on 'chat' on Mumsnet tonight".

If there's a thread "I'm a telephone sanitizer, ask me anything" then I'm outta here.

‏*@andreajenkyns*

you had your chance last week. Now fuck off, and show you papers on the way out.

@DGR, don't know about phones but my keyboard is filthy!

@andreajenkyns
We must be clear to those in the Cabinet & on the back benches, we will not sit back & allow a small minority to dominate

Err from one person born in Beverley to another...let me be clear love. It's you and yours who are in a minority:

1. The ERG is (bizarrely) a tax payer funded minority.

1. Your supporting electorate is a minority too.

A rant on a separate note. This article about the USA and migrant children is beyond disgusting for a civilised nation.

The US today is diametrically opposed to respect for human rights. We are choosing this, yet rejecting the EU. US policy is the antithesis of what the EU upholds.

Thinking about people like Liam Fox endorsing this and his American Enterprise Institute and subsequent policy makes me feel physically sick.

Yet many Brexiteers actively favour closer relationships with Trump over the EU.

It's not even as if we are acquiescing to
continue our existing relationship with the US -we are proactively seeking to make the relationship closer since the referendum Trump's arrival. We don't like food safety rules that occasionally affect bananas but terrorising the vulnerable and desperate is fine?

Well not in my name.

Decided-I'm going to the protest against Trump's visit.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-new-border-crisis-following-trumps-executive-order?mbid=socialfacebookkauddevvkwpaid-the-new-border-crisis-following-trumps-executive-order&kwpp0=864864&kwp4=2944053&kwpp1=1243619

Headlines that holidaymakers who have organised it 'mix and match' to get extra protection courtesy of the EU. Well you can scrap that then!

Headlines that holidaymakers who have organised it 'mix and match' to get extra protection courtesy of the EU. Well you can scrap that then!

Cui bono ?

Re the technicalities of a hard Brexit and why does this aspect not seem to percolate into the heads of so many?

Because so many Brexiteers appear on the MSM and make a lot of noise about how this is nonsense and no journalists have the wit / knowledge / expertise to prove them to be liars.

Perfect example was a week or so ago on Any Questions with Peter Lilley insisting that planes will still be certified after March next year, despite this being demonstrably wrong.

Regarding the 'spiel' that Peter Lilley came out with. It is unfortunate that the BBC researchers could not have come up with a direct legal 'quote' to prove Lilley wrong at the time. I questioned this later (here on the thread a day after hearing the programme) and BCF put up some reference material. The programme simply let it lie without pursuing it with sufficient vigour.
Some journalists will be digging out the info but getting it 'printed' seems to be an issue. It is there in the FT and others though, but not as headlines.

So this is the new plan, having tried "speak English more loudly" …

reverting back to trying to negotiate with the individual 27 govts
I thought that idea was knocked on the / DD's head the first time it was tried, in 2016

Andrew Piercee@toryboypierce*
Brexit White Paper to be translated into every EU language as ministers bypass obstructive Michel Barnier & deal direct with EU govts

< there remains the arrogance that the only reason the E27 are not giving cake is because they haven't been informed the UK wants it. Hence continual criticism of Barnier, who only carries out E27 instructions >

@Trubshawe1
Replying to @toryboypierce
Only in the imperialist little England Brexit worldview is “using a language other than English” considered a new idea and a diplomatic masterstroke

I really hope the EU27 politely return any direct submissions, and refer the UK back to M. Barnier. You know - like what the UK agreed to.

We really are not doing ourselves - and by extension our citizens - any favours with this moronic charade. We're descending into the final scene of "Fawlty Towers" ...

How did they ever win the war ?

With a lot of fucking help DG.

So will we get back "do one" in all the official languages, or will they write that in English ?

I'm starting to see conspiracies everywhere atm...
The attacks on human rights, women's rights, workers right, immigrant rights...its all falling apart.
This decent and rational society we built.
Its all falling apart.

It's just the far right growing.

imo, once the USSR collapsed, all the oligarchs & all the right wing parties who had been constrained by the fear of the oiks turning to communism, felt there were no longer any contraints on their actions

So they have been blasting full bore to the right, increasing inequality, tearing up workers' rights …

Scary thing is that the conspirators don’t even bother to hide anymore. What was quite recently undemocratic/illegal is now everyday politics.

Speaking truth to power: Could this - at last - be decision time ?

I'm staggered if Robbins has really not briefed cabinet ministers on this before.
JDD on RNorth's blog says ministers wouldn't listen to his own briefings - did they ignore Robbins too until now ?

interesting to see whether Bojo & DD actually resign, or just keep sounding off to the Brexit media;
also whether Brexiters try to force a leadership contest, or back down

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/may-piles-pressure-on-brexiteer-ministers-9t7pf6cnt

Theresa May’s chief Brexit negotiator has told ministers that they have
no chance of striking a bespoke trade deal with the European Union

Oliver Robbins briefed secretaries of state before their meeting at Chequers on Friday that they had to be realistic about what could be achieved.

He is understood to have painted a bleak picture of the state of negotiations,
saying that
Michel Barnier, his EU counterpart, was under no pressure from European leaders to soften his tough stance, even though Mrs May had asked them to intervene.

One government figure said that the clear message had been that
ministers may end up having to choose between

a Norway-style deal in which Britain remains in the single market but has to accept EU rules,

or pursuing a simple free-trade agreement that is strongly opposed by business.

“I came out of the meeting and thought we were even more screwed than we were before,"
the source said.
“I was surprised he admitted how bad it was

< only a govt of total morons would promise unicorns for so long and then have to choose between a humiliating U-turn & a humiliating economic catastrophe >

If I had to gauge where we are, I would say Downing Street moving towards the Norwegian model.”

Strange that this source would think Robbins might have anything to gain by sugar coating anything. Why would he be surprised and why is this 'admitting'?

This is a shambles.

Wrt the rise of the Right - it is happening because people are stupid, stupid, stupid. And because education systems have failed.

I was surprised he admitted how bad it was

Really !!!!!

Saw a clickbait headline yesterday for a Michael Moore prediction that Trump will try to become president for life ...

A quote from the Times article from Grease-Smug and the Repeal of the Corn Laws:
Pointing out that Peel “decided to break his manifesto pledge and passed legislation with the majority of his party voting the other way”, he said: “This left the Conservatives out of office for 28 years.”

There you have it, don't do what is good for the Country, as I believe Peel did Repealing the Corn Laws, think only of the Tory party. That of course, smashed the then Tory party, half of them going off to join the Whigs, who became Liberals, and the rump of the Tories became Conservatives (but have never shaken off the name Tory.) This is if I remember my history correctly.

www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-06-26/eu-heavyweights-will-block-u-k-single-market-bid-spain-says?__twitter_impression=true

“Germany will say no, France will say no, Spain will say no,” said Borrell, part of a Socialist government that swept to power in Madrid this month. Europe’s largest countries “are quite angry with the United Kingdom -- all this mess, all the trouble created, all this time wasted,” he added.

Borrell’s comments, to Bloomberg News and two European news websites, reflect growing alarm among the EU’s Brexit negotiators that the U.K. thinks it can carve out a deal for membership of the single market in goods, while going it alone in the area of services, an EU official said. The EU will stick to its position that the U.K. can’t cherrypick the parts of the single market it likes, the official said.

“Brexit is not a political problem but it is a pain in the ass,” he said.