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Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff

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RedToothBrush · 26/06/2018 22:34

Bit late and didn't realise the last thread was so close to the end... so this is a very quick OP

What do you think the secret continency plan name the government have in place for the No Deal?

Suggestions Please

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lonelyplanetmum · 01/07/2018 08:38

I'm not surprised at May or Javid being in the frame.

It reflects a corporate trait. We all know about the glass ceiling across many types of business including politics. In 2016 or 2017 (?) there were just 6 female chief executives and 94 men in the FTSE100 . By contrast I remember reading eight of the firms were run by men called Dave or David.

But there's also the glass cliff which is equally accepted and proven in MBA corporate type academics ..

Boards of directors are more likely to appoint minorities or women to companies flailing from financial difficulties, mergers or acquisitions.

Also... “When a leader comes in when a company is struggling, their term typically is shorter and these leaders are then typically replaced by white males, especially if the firm doesn’t improve under their leadership,"

So I think the Tory party is merely reflecting a common trend of letting in both women and minorities in times of crisis. Except the crisis is of their own bloody making.

Sajid Javid ticks both boxes as he's a member of a minority to try in a crisis and he's quite like a suited white male called David/Sajid/Javid. Although the last David didn't exactly do a great job as he skipped off with his little hum.

This is an oldish article but there will be many more- www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2014/aug/05/fortune-500-companies-crisis-woman-ceo-yahoo-xerox-jc-penny-economy

IrenetheQuaint · 01/07/2018 08:40

I think Javid is utterly unprincipled and will choose whatever policy position he thinks will advance his position. Look at how he's swivelled from being 'free markets at all costs and who cares about the poor' under Cameron and Osborne to suddenly discovering a social conscience since Grenfell.

I admit, however, that the competition are even worse.

BrexitWife · 01/07/2018 08:46

Boards of directors are more likely to appoint minorities or women to companies flailing from financial difficulties, mergers or acquisitions.

Yes and I also believe this is why we ended up with TM in the first place. No one wanted the job which everyone knew would be a poisoned chalice.

Maybe Javid can do a better job. But for that, you need a way to silence the hard brexiters. How can one do that when you have a JRM in front of you, whose only interest is to create mayhem, not take the leadership?

lonelyplanetmum · 01/07/2018 08:46

Can anyone give me a synopsis on what has actually been agreed in the negotiations so far ?

Errr

  1. Agreed we have to sort out the Irish border first.
  1. We haven't.

I don't if this has been posted on the back stop but quite detailed.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/06/05/irish-border-backstop-many-unanswered-questions-and-considerable-economic-challenges/

BrexitWife · 01/07/2018 08:48

frumptey bar the settled status and some agreement on some alignment, I couldn’t actually tell you either.
In part because I dint think there’s been ANY agreement!

lonelyplanetmum · 01/07/2018 08:49

That article also says...
On May and Javid..

One major cause for the glass cliff phenomenon and the savior effect is that women and minorities are more likely than traditional candidates to accept a CEO position at a troubled company, often because they view it as their only chance.

Traditional CEOs may view the offer as too risky and say no.

BigChocFrenzy · 01/07/2018 09:26

frumpety DD & other Brexiters keep saying:

"Nothing has been agreed until everything has been agreed"

So, worst case, nothing.

The Ultras say the UK should not pay any of the £40 billion, unless they get their frictonless trade
May already reneged on the December NI backstop

Hence, any UK govt may well renege too on the expat settlement rights too, at least for those they deem "useless",
i.e. those who are longterm SAHM / now retired / carers / disabled themselves / below a £45k income threshhold / failed to jump through multiple hoops with every scrap of documentation / the HO lost their documents at some stage …

Especially if the govt whips up anti-furrin hysteria, to distract the public from an economic disaster

UK expats in the EU would be in a better position, simply because those E27 countres where most expats live, are not going to revenge themselves on individuals

GladAllOver · 01/07/2018 09:26

Can anyone give me a synopsis on what has actually been agreed in the negotiations so far ?
Both sides have agreed to 'work hard' to find an agreement. That’s all.

I don't seem to be able to get past the soundbites to actual facts and figures,
That's because there are none. Just speculation.

Peregrina · 01/07/2018 09:29

Especially if the govt whips up anti-furrin hysteria, to distract the public from an economic disaster

I'd like to think that there is no longer much mileage left in that, after the Windrush scandal.

GladAllOver · 01/07/2018 09:29

I think Javid is utterly unprincipled and will choose whatever policy position he thinks will advance his position.
So just typical of the present cabinet members then. Nothing special at all.

prettybird · 01/07/2018 09:41

Ian Blackford, the leader of the SNP in Westminster, says the priority now is Indyref2 rather than a 2nd referendum mainly because the English electorate can't be trusted to see sense Sad.

http://theherald.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/iphone/homepage.aspx#_article0bf4882b-bc41-47e1-8604-ed4c3b99e738

It's not in the article, so I don't know which Tory to blame actually said this, but when this was reported, a Conservative complained that the SNP were putting party before country.... ConfusedHmm

BigChocFrenzy · 01/07/2018 10:00

peregrina I'd like to think that too …
but I don't.

Trump's approval rating has actually increased after caging small children
A significant % of voters approve of his "strong man" nationalist xenophobia

I expect in England too (not Scotland) - a sufficient minority will blame the EU furrin
Who else are the 52% to blame if there is a no-deal catastrophe ?
It won't be themselves for voting that way, for continuing to support Brexit and the Tory Brexit govt

Remember that Leavers tend to be far more authoritarian & nationalist than other voters

Once shortages start, rationing, grounded planes. unemployment spikes, chaos …
I really don't think Leavers will take responsibility
So the EU & their citizens are the obvious scapegoats, along with any other "Enemies of the People"

54321go · 01/07/2018 10:02

What I still can't get over is the total indifference to some very significant 'facts'. BCF has been commenting, with linked articles about how ships and planes will HAVE to at least 'pause' come the morning of Brexit unless new certifications have have been established. I am not suggesting BCF is incorrect but why does this aspect not seem to percolate into the heads of so many. I can see that if it were simultaneously announced on all media it could cause a pretty wide panic but surely the UK needs to wake up at some time?
I don't know how much 'resilience' is built into UK food supplies, I would anticipate a few days before gaps appear on supermarket shelves IF there was no panic buying.

Indyref2 reminds me of a cartoon I saw years ago of a dog frantically trying to cut it's leash as it's owner contemplates 'lovers leap'.

54321go · 01/07/2018 10:08

I find the concept of certainly England being so 'sniffy' about 'furriners' so totally hypocritical as the number of 'pure breed' English (whatever that may be) is very small as most of the UK (particularly England) is a 'mongrel' nation, having been 'invaded' in various forms for many centuries.

prettybird · 01/07/2018 10:12

Hypocrisy has been the underlying modus operandi of the Brexiteers - and especially as exhibited by the Conservative Government. Angry

DGRossetti · 01/07/2018 10:18

I'll tuck it here, and it's not Brexit but MN related ...

If anyone here is old enough Grin to remember USENET, one of the reasons it dropped out of favour (not completely dead though ...) was when newsgroups started being flooded with junk posts. Eventually people just gave up using them, because there was so much chaff.

I wonder where all these "AMA" threads have come from ? Becasue they're certainly doing their job of jamming up MN. [tinfoilhat].

DGRossetti · 01/07/2018 10:22

I find the concept of certainly England being so 'sniffy' about 'furriners' so totally hypocritical as the number of 'pure breed' English (whatever that may be) is very small as most of the UK (particularly England) is a 'mongrel' nation, having been 'invaded' in various forms for many centuries

Last year I was on a swimming course (so not really a self-selecting demographic ?) with a mixture of people from the naicer end of Birmingham. Out of 8 people in the room, 4 (including me) didn't have all 4 grandparents from the UK - let alone England. The entire room was completely Remain, with 3 of the attendees unable to have voted in last years GE.

54321go · 01/07/2018 10:23

I toyed with the idea of starting a thread' I can't be arsed, ask me about it' but I fell at the first hurdle and didn't bother.

GladAllOver · 01/07/2018 10:30

I wonder where all these "AMA" threads have come from ? Becasue they're certainly doing their job of jamming up MN.

All three of them? Yes no wonder MN is so jammed up. :)

DGRossetti · 01/07/2018 10:32

54321go

Grin

At first it's annoying, until you realise it's effectively strangling the site. Which may have been the intention. It would certainly drive off the fainter-hearted, and newer users.

Flooding undesirable sites with spam and nonsense is an approved cyberwarfare tactic of the alphabet agencies of the US (and by extension UK). Having seen it in use before, MNs current predicament is looking familiar.

MN is particularly vulnerable, as it's commercially funded. If it's flooded with trolling posts, the advertising revenue will plummet.

GladAllOver · 01/07/2018 10:42

Crikey!
I had only seen three AMA posts, but now there seems to have been a rash of them overnight. The ones I previously saw were quite interesting but I don't know about all these. I don't see why they can't be pushed onto a separate section.

DGRossetti · 01/07/2018 10:47

I don't see why they can't be pushed onto a separate section.

Who'll pay the moderators ?

Hasenstein · 01/07/2018 10:55

Sorry for being dense, but what does AMA stand for?

DGRossetti · 01/07/2018 10:57

If you scan - mainly "chat" - you'll see a flood of threads "I'm a(n) Ask Me Anything".

They're just noise to the signal.

20nil · 01/07/2018 10:58

Does anybody see a pattern to any of this? I try and try to think through scenarios, good and bad, but there is no reason or logic. Anything can happen, and that level of uncertainty really is terrifying. And it’s global.

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