Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff

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Bit late and didn't realise the last thread was so close to the end... so this is a very quick OP

What do you think the secret continency plan name the government have in place for the No Deal?

Suggestions Please

and this just now:
@donnyc1975
Massive building project at old hoverport in Calais docks..... anyone know about it ? Customs clearance maybe ? - same thing going on at eurotunnel .....

An interesting 'spin' by Mrs may that the EU are endangering people in the UK

The last time she tried this, the EU started planning their security sans UK. She was the person who used "security" as a threat in the pre-A50 days of Brexit, as I recall.

Anyway, in some respects it's moot - she can spin what she likes, it won't change the EUs formalised approach to Brexit.

What it might do, is lay the ground for a softer Brexit. After all, now she's openly admitted (by the way, where are all the interviews where we were assured Brexit would not endanger UK citizens ???????) that there is a risk to UK citizens in Brexit, then surely it's her fucking job to mitigate that. If that means soft-Brexit, then so be it.

Bearing in mind these headlines are only for UK consumption. No one in the EU is talking about them. At all.

8564 vehicles in 24 hours = 357 vehicles/hour currently. If in the brave new Brexiters world each vehicle takes 20 minutes to process, then for 8564 vehicles to be processed in a day would require 119 customs checking lanes.

Probably a good idea to move now, if you suffer any respiratory complaints then.

Maybe the 'sleepover' might be like an Agatha Christie novel, half of the mugs of bedtime cocoa have cyanide in them?

Or like And Then There Were None. There will be a calling to account for all their crimes against the country, followed by their deaths one by one, with TM the one left at the end contemplating the noose handily hanging from her bedroom ceiling.

Donald Tusk
@eucopresident
21 minutes ago
EU27 conclusions on #Brexit adopted.

So.... is that the end of the "negotiations"?

@woman.
Is the 'development area' the part that on google earth looks like a massive sandpit to the Northeast of the existing ferry terminal at Calais?
A quick look at the map suggests that Cherbourg could get busy for ships from Eire or a much longer sea journey if they want to get further east. Ouistreham has building works going on too.

So.... is that the end of the "negotiations

@thecommongreen
Morning Coffee Thread. 1/
Probably one of the few strong cards ever had to play in the EU negotiations has been shared access to the UK's expansive intel network (and, by proxy, closer ties to the US's)
But May has botched this too.
2/ Threatening citizen safety is a very poor framing of this argument. It implies that other states are incapable of looking after their own. That breeds defensiveness in the negotiation.
3/ It also opens May up to a massive scandal if something ever happens and it's later discovered that May knew about it in advance but ordered silence.
4/ Back to the present, this argument might have been stronger a year or so ago. Now, with crisis looming, it just looks desperate.
5/ And short-sighted. Between Brexit, Trump and Turkey/Russia, I can see a breakup or significant reduction of NATO on the horizon.
6/ The EU is starting to look to itself for defence. However that ends up being structured, it likely won't include placing keystone features in "unreliable" non-EU states.
7/ This means not relying on the US for military defence. It'll mean not relying on the UK for intelligence.
8/ For all the talk of the EU "punishing" Britain, what has actually happened is far more final. They've simply stopped caring. The UK is no longer relevant to the EU's plans for the future.
No amount of negotiation can fix that now.
/End

What BigChoc said, days ago: Isolate the "unreliable" bloc.

thanks5321 . Could be? They are sensibly getting ready for our crash.

Calais port enlargement was decided before referendum.
Reasons: UK population is growing; 70% of UK food important goes through Calais. Current 215 metre boats can no longer keep up with the growing UK import needs therefore looking at 230 or 240 metre boats which will allow for more lorries. Unfortunately 230 -240 metre boats cannot enter the current port because port too small hence the building of new docks which will be able to accommodate bigger boats.

www.francebleu.fr/infos/transports/agrandissement-du-port-de-calais-le-chantier-est-a-mi-parcours-1521045493

If Brexit were a software upgrade (say removing a component in a system) then it makes sense to plan the process, and arrive at an end state where the component can simply be unplugged with no effects whatsoever.

The EU is simply planning to unplug the UK. Which is not what Brexiteers wanted at all. And now it's happening the squeals are starting.

By the way, what the fuck was all that horsehit about the UK "threatening to pull out of" Galileo ? Presumably more fake news for the proles ? The UK is out of Galileo as of last week as a main player. We've only got access to the commercial element. Apparently the other countries looked at the rule book that the UK wrote for Galileo, and discovered that the UK agreed that non-EU members could not have access to the security element.

Please, could no one post anything where people suggest the UK could go it alone on a GPS system. It's too hot to laugh that long and loud.

Calais is building a bigger truck park, to allow for longer customs clearance times after the Brexit.
We will need one too, but plans have been stalled. So the M2 will become a permanent lorry park.

Calais port enlargement was decided before referendum
thanks Lico.

Donald Tusk
@eucopresident
21 minutes ago
EU27 conclusions on #Brexit adopted.

WHAT has been adopted?

Calais Port
Decision was taken in 2015 but talks had been going on years before.

www.pas-de-calais.gouv.fr/content/download/6688/37179/file/rapportcommissionloi%20sur%20l'eauOS1.pdf

When did our subheading change to 'brexit'?

@DGR, re GPS. I have an old map book from 2005. It's a bit dog eared and a couple of pages missing but will that do?
@Lico. Thanks for that explanation about enlargement. You may upset a few 'nautical types' by referring to them as 'boats' though!
Why do the EU ports need to enlarge when the UK will be buying all their requirements from all around the globe from the massive network of new friends who will sell it cheaper than the EU? I am sure that was one of the 'pledges'.
I hope the port authorities of the EU ports send an invoice for the extra work being done due to Brexit through to Mrs May.

Closed migrant centres are to be set up in EU states to process asylum claims under a deal reached after marathon talks at a leaders summit in Brussels.

Migrant crisis: EU leaders plan closed migrant centres www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44652846

I hope the port authorities of the EU ports send an invoice for the extra work being done due to Brexit through to Mrs May.

The UK (apparently) has already agreed to bear the costs of Brexit as part of the divorce bill. I am sure it will be minutely itemised, and include anything which member states feel they would not have incurred had Brexit not happened.

The UK is of course free to argue the toss. However the bottom line is the bill will be the bill, and if the UK doesn't like it, then "go whistle" (or is that "go fucking whistle" if BoJo's around ?) is an entirely legitimate and possible response. As will be the response of any country that decides it's not a good idea to enter into any deal with a country that can't abide by it's international obligations.

@woman
I am not sure if anyone else asked MNHQ but I asked for the 'Brexit' thread(s) to have a button on the main talk menu (top Right of main screen) or somewhere fairly prominent and 'permanent'.
I feel that the topics being discussed with regard to Brexit are quite important as they will involve everybody in the UK and most of the rest of the world in some way, some very badly.
I had suggested sub menus such as 'prepping', economy menus and of course there could be sevedral more.
It appears that discussing Brexit, to MNHQ is on a similar or lesser importance to Sally from Swindon who can't decide which handbag goes best.
Silly me. The upside is if I get banned I might do some proper work and can spend time in the sun.

@DGR
Was that the 'original' 40 Billion or is it a rolling account now as the amount of extra spend will have increased significantly over the 2 years and as more of the EU realises how much they will have to modify their plans?

Presumably the other "advantage" to No Deal is that the exit bill is binned along with everything else?

@DGR Was that the 'original' 40 Billion or is it a rolling account now as the amount of extra spend will have increased significantly over the 2 years and as more of the EU realises how much they will have to modify their plans?

Buried in the first flush of the "negotiations" I have a recollection that one of the first "triumphs" of DD was to sign off the divorce bill. (You may remember that this was probably at the same time as BoJos "go whistle" comment). It was sold as the UKs balls overwhelming the puny EUs petit pois when in reality, the EU just said "you want to talk trade ?" (which used to be Liam Foxs department) "Then we need to sign off this bill.". And it was agreed the bill would include costs due to the UKs departure.

There is the delicate matter of how much the UKs prevarication during the A50 process has additionally cost the EU. It's certainly fair to say that knowing it was leaving the EU, there was an obligation on the UK to mitigate losses to the EU27. (And if the UK doesn't like that, it had better change it's law of Tort ....)

Of course, if that's the hill on which Theresa May wants to make a stand, there is now nothing stopping her. She is of course entirely free to renege on any and all things previously agreed, thanks to parliaments decisions. Not that it makes too much difference in the grand scale of things. The UKs worldwide stock has already sunk to a low ebb. No one is expecting great things of us, let along Great Things.

The thing is we could actually help Sally from Swindon choose her bag while Brexit is just speculation till the government make a decision. I find it fascinating to watch a country self impose sanctions but I understand why most people don’t.

Why should be Brexit bill be 'cancelled' if there is a no deal? It is not like going into a shop and taking a tin of beans to the counter, then deciding you don't want it so put it back. Britain has signed up for long term contracts and is pulling out, they are responsible for paying.

It appears that discussing Brexit, to MNHQ is on a similar or lesser importance to Sally from Swindon who can't decide which handbag goes best.