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Westminstenders: Don't Panic!

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RedToothBrush · 21/06/2018 08:04

It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

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bellinisurge · 26/06/2018 16:39

If @BigChocFrenzy you are saying that no one wants to lose the level of relative comfort they have now and will be angry if they do, of course they will. Handy to have a cushion if it happens, though.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2018 16:41

woman That's why the EU want the UK out before the next EP elections in June

  • to reduce the fascist bloc there Sad
woman11017 · 26/06/2018 17:32

Yup. BCF

BrexitWife · 26/06/2018 17:33

Yep I’ve noticed too the news about alliance with Hungary.
Can we say now that we have a far right government now?
I have to say it was already obvious to me when, during the campain for the referendum, people were talking about how great Marine LePen was.

woman11017 · 26/06/2018 17:37

Can we say now that we have a far right government now?
Fascist: Check out the Repel Act, which Brenda ticks tomorrow.

AndSheSteppedOnTheBall · 26/06/2018 17:38

Oh yes my sister was a huge fan of Mme LePen.

woman11017 · 26/06/2018 17:40

Apologies Queenie said 'yes' to english fascism today:
@isaby
BREAKING: The Queen backs Brexit - in that she has given Royal Assent to the European Union (Withdrawal) Act

They do, of course, have a bit of previous.

bellinisurge · 26/06/2018 17:43

Royal Assent is not the same as The Queen back Brexit. It would be more shocking if she refused to sign. That's how our constitution works.

And equating it with fascism is pointless. It's stupid, arrogant, narrow minded, indulgent of racist twats , self defeating. But not fascism.

commonarewe · 26/06/2018 17:49

bellinisurge

Come now, you know that for all those fixated on the sixth-form stage of politics, everyone to the right of Mao is a fascist by definition Grin.

BrexitWife · 26/06/2018 18:31

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hard-brexit-will-put-860000-jobs-at-risk-uk-car-manufacturers-warn-theresa-may_uk_5b321b30e4b0b745f177a769?guccounter=1

860,000 jobs at risk.
860,000

Has there ever been a time when you could say that many jobs were in jeopardy wo anyone batting an eye lid?
That wouod be doubling the number of people out of work just with people working for car manufacturers.
Add about 80,00 for financial services.
And .....

Are people not really frightened???

bellinisurge · 26/06/2018 18:36

Not frightened because I didn't cause this shitshow and I am a Prepper.
I've also lived through the economic decimation of communities by Thatcher.

woman11017 · 26/06/2018 18:47

Greek king tried to lead a revolt against colonels fascist coup in Greece in 1967. bellini
Spanish king tried to intervene against a militarly coup in 1981
elpais.com/elpais/2018/02/23/inenglish/1519383165_259292.html

Current royals have 'complex' history:^
www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-william-in-israel-british-royal-family-s-complicated-history-nazi-germany-1.6198604

Fascism: Webster's dictionary.
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

It is what it is.

Read the Repel Act.
I can't find the article, but either Maugham or Green wrote an analysis of the dire democratic threats it entails. This give a vague synopsis.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/30/great-repeal-bill-will-create-sweeping-powers-to-change-laws-after-brexit

"The Charter of Fundamental Rights is not part of domestic law on or after exit day"
publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2017-2019/0005/18005.pdf

What type of regime abolishes human rights?

We are facing very limited, if any human rights, Executive Control of decision making, and a forced economic crash at a time of heightened civil unrest.

I can't find the article, but either Maugham or Green wrote an analysis of the dire democratic threats it entails.

This is a constitutional crisis. We are 'subjects' and most people know the difference between right and wrong.

Even Brenda.

bellinisurge · 26/06/2018 19:01

Whatever makes you happy @woman11017

commonarewe · 26/06/2018 19:02

Was that rambling nonsense meant in some way to prove that the UK has become a fascist state?

bellinisurge · 26/06/2018 19:04

Having lived and worked in an authoritarian state, I think I would spot it if we had become one. Embarrassing shitshow? Yes. Fascist state? No.

MrsRRR · 26/06/2018 19:20

I would point out...we havent left yet.

Plenty of time for farage et al to show their real hand...

54321go · 26/06/2018 19:20

For a while longer we are still in the EU. What happens on Brexit day of course remains to be seen.

MrsRRR · 26/06/2018 19:23

Exactly.

We are giving up so so much we take for granted...decent welfare state, statutory holidays, sick pay, maternity and paternity pay....and for what??

They will all go. We will become like the US.

It terrifies me.

Capital punishment will be next.

bellinisurge · 26/06/2018 19:27

Don't be terrified, @MrsRRR . I'm old and many of those rights were there before we joined the EU. Can't guarantee the stupid Leaver fuckers won't try and shave some of them off but even a remoaner like me acknowledges we had these things before we joined the EU.

MrsRRR · 26/06/2018 19:29

I'd love to be comforted but actually I think you're wrong.

I think this is a very very deliberate taking apart of our country and its safety net for the poor and vulnerable.

I hope you're right.

I really do.

bellinisurge · 26/06/2018 19:31

Let's just hope those idiots who believed that stupid bus slogan might get a bit exercised if they start dismantling the NHS.

MrsRRR · 26/06/2018 19:39

Already started Bellini...no one up in arms yet (except the staff leaving in droves....)

Virgin care is busy privatizing the gp sector.

It will only take a really bad winter or (god forbid!) An outbreak of swine flu/SARS type virus and that'll be it.

It will just collapse.

bellinisurge · 26/06/2018 19:41

Focus on you and yours @MrsRRR . And work out some personal strategies.

MrsRRR · 26/06/2018 19:43

Trying Bellini
....Trying...
😊

woman11017 · 26/06/2018 19:45

many of those rights were there before we joined the EU
Nope. Any rights which our Labour govs brought in for us, only survived tory rule through our membership of the EU.
They're not being 'shaved', they are being abolished.

Why are you calling leavers 'idiots' and worse? We try to avoid that sort of thing on this thread.

What attracted you to the 'prepper' movement? bellini?