Westminstenders: Don't Panic!

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It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

FWIW, I don't tell my dd my harsh views. I hope she can build a better future despite the shitty hand Leave voters have dealt her. Or she can leave the country. Her choice.

Let's hope so peregrina but as said upthread a lot of damage has already been done.
I would imagine global business wont be keen on dealing with such a shambles of a govt. Brexit or not.
Bojos comments haven't really helped the Tory cause either.
Farage did say something I agreed with last year...
If brexit went badly he would be lynched.
I would argue he won't be the only one.
How much has this clusterfuck cost already?

The wider community voted to flush everything down the toilet.

Except they didn't. Any other result of 48+ and 52- would be regarded as a tie, and require further information and another vote. May chose to interpret it as a runaway win for the Leavers. Given that she then lost her majority, it is arguable that they said No to her (ERG's) vision of Brexit. Not that losing has made the slightest bit of difference, she still behaves as though she has a stonking majority. Which she does with the way the Labour Opposition are voting. They could be making her life hell now, instead of going along with her.

I have a strong feeling that everything - Grieve's climbdown, the maufacturers' announcements, Greg Clark's statement, the Chequers sleepover - is being orchestrated at the moment towards something which I sincerely hope is a BINO fudge. It may, of course, be wishful thinking.
We left the country when we retired and DD says, "don't come back, you are our lifeline"....

The problem is that the ERG and their supporters have made this issue divisive, anything other than a full hard brexit is seen as a betrayal of the "will of the people" and they stoke the dim wit gammons who vote for them into a fury.

It wasn't a runaway success but the result is that Leave won. No getting around that. Just over a third voted Leave. just under a third voted Remain. The other third didn't bother. Feels like two thirds of idiots to me.

All I can do is plan for my kids so they don't suffer.
That’s where I am too.

And yes I used to very worried for the country and the people. But as an EU citizen, I’ve feel that I’ve been so battered by the whole thing that I dint feel any connexion at all with the country anymore.
I am ressentful if the total apathy of british people. The head in the sand attitude when bad things happen ‘to Others’. The attitude that says ‘it doesn’t quite matter anyway’ because it doesn’t affect me (see Grenfell, the windrush scandal etc...) so many times when people been worried about others Is just being part of ‘liberal elite’. Not just having a heart.
How am I supposed to now still be caring for them when they never cared for me (and my family and the 3.8 millions of EU citizens)?

MN has a saying. When a leopard shows you its spots, believe him.
I think that the U.K. as a country has shown its spots :(

Leave won, but this assumes that it was a 'First past the post' referendum, rather than a gauge of the mood of the country. A more astute PM would have said that the result was a tie, and sent off the Leavers to do some homework - come back with cast iron promises of Trade deals for example.

But it will happen to us all is my point - so surely we should care?

"Caring" will do precisely as little as "thinking positively" "having faith" and the eternally-vauge "pulling together / getting behind".

I'm not wishing badness on anybody, far from it - I've often said that I hope to God I am wrong about Brexit and the Rainbow Unicorn Leavers are right - but equally I can't see the point in "caring" either.

The wider community voted to flush everything down the toilet.

Actually they did the day when they decided that nothing could be done about it. And just stayed silent.

I really really appreciate how people went down to the march in London last weekend.
There was about 100.000 people.
When T Blair decided to go to war in Irak, about 1 million people marched in London.
See the difference and how much the EU, the way the governemnet is treating people etc etc actually matter to the britsih population as a whole?

A million people marched against Blair and War in Iraq and it made b*gger all difference. Except years later the marchers were shown to be correct.

The glimmer of hope for me is that you see Grenfell, Windrush, and see the behaviour of ordinary people, how they rush forward to help, putting the Govt to shame. I would hope that the Brexit disaster would be the same, and that a new political generation will ask to go back into the EU, which may have reformed then.

"Actually they did the day when they decided that nothing could be done about it. And just stayed silent."
The vote was the thing. Idiots didn't listen. I made plenty of noise on here and elsewhere. Sod 'em.

My children are dual nationals (not EU). I am as well. We can leave any time, but at the moment I'm stuck waiting for DH to accept that things may not be "fine", or for things to go so pear-shaped that bringing him with me is no longer looking like a higher priority than just getting out.

I wish he would spend more time reading Daily Mail comments, actually. He's still convinced that people don't really want this, so it won't really happen. Like I said, I think he's in for a terrible shock.

As a Cornish remainer one of the many reasons i voted remain was because I know full well Westminster doesn't give a shit about us. We might get some of our European money replaced for a few years and then it will be quietly stopped. And the money will end up going to the naice areas like Rock where people like David Cameron holiday.

If we're going to become a giant adventure park, I 'd better start channelling my inner Demelza, although I'm more of a Prudy really. Luckily we have an old mine, that's now a museum 3 minutes walk from my front door so my commute will be short.

If we sold up now we would get a decent chunk of equity.

In a year's time? Doubt it.

I hope next year doesn't mean selling up and leaving with nothing but it's something I'm mentally preparing for.

I don't think its that Westminster doesn't give a shit.

I think its that rural communities are much harder to fund, and to justify the funding other than as part of development aid. The UK govt foundit easy to leave this to Brussles.

Cornwall won't get anything because there will be nothing to have, there is no brexit dividend, we will lost tax revenue not gain a surplus.

I do think Westminster doesn't give a shit. Half of the Government don't realise there is a world outside the Home Counties.

peregrina Whenever Leavers try to claim noone said it would be easy, there are so many prominent lies to fling back, e.g.

Liam Fox (disgraced former Defence Secretary and Werrity-sniffer)

“The British government will immediately agree 40 free trade deals with other non-EU countries the minute Britain leaves the European Union in 2019,”

< Are our 40 FTAs on schedule, Liam ?? >

“Post-Brexit free trade deal with the EU should be the easiest in human history. “

< Even the Withdrawal Agreement is stuck in phase 1; nowhere near even the framework of a trade agreement >

Meanwhile, the ECJ weighs in on the trans debate ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44612117

A transgender woman who was unable to access her pension was discriminated against by UK law, the European Court of Justice has found.

The woman - known as MB - was refused the female state pension at 60 after she chose not to annul her marriage.

MB said she preferred to stay married to her wife "in the sight of God".

(contd)

I put my fallback plan into action a few days after the ref: emigration to Germany
I feel desperately sorry for Remainers and I just wish it were only the Leavers who are going to suffer from their stupidity in believing the lies

The working population voted Remain
They'll be the ones supporting the rest, who mostly voted Leave
That's why older Leavers in particular could ignore Project Fear - even if true, they thought it wouldn't affect them.

That's a new twist, DG !
I think a lot of blokes in that age range would have been sensible to ID as female if that meant an earlier pension
The new pension rules mean that is a very "transient" issue

Good for her though, putting her marriage above pension
That's love

They'll be the ones supporting the rest, who mostly voted Leave

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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.

The last vote cast by my mid-80s mum before she died was Remain. And she's voted UKIP in the past. She said it was for the sake of her grandkids. At least one of whom voted Leave.
Still, we all get Irish passports because of her.

DG Rosetti that quote is apocryphal and has no basis in any analysis.