Westminstenders: Don't Panic!

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It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

Many Leave champions, Daniel Hannan for one, if I recall correctly, assumed that we would stay in the Single Market and Customs Union. Farage too. They then woke up to the fact that the Single Market meant Freedom of Movement, so it had to be jettisoned.

People also say that the emergency budget didn't happen, but as I frequently point out to Leavers, Cameron promised to stay on and implement the result, but threw in the towel within 12 hours of the result being declared, so at that point, all predictions were off.

I am tempted to say that the Sunderland people need to get ready to move to Kent to pick fruit. It won't be as well paid as working in the car factory, but a job's a job, and this is what they voted for.

@Motheroffourdragons - it was loud and clear to anyone who cared to listen. If people were too busy listening to noisy posh "clever" people like Boris then that's their tough shit. My compassion has slumped to zero.

Fwiw ive worked in the automotive industry. Both cars and industrial véhicules.

All of those companies are working in a Just in time system.
None of them can and will afford a slight break on the assembly line.
So a system where parts might be held at customs is just unthinkable and will create no end of issue (incl asking suppliers for compensation of the parts arent there in time and the line is stopped)

We are hearing warning different car manufacturers atm. The reality is that none of them can survive being in the U.K. in a deal situation and nothing to implemented at customs.

Plus of course there is the issue of regulations and the cars/trucks been validated as ok.

Airbus leaving is about 100.000 people with no job. How much will it be for Nissan, Toyota, Mercedes, rolls Royce (remember all the parts they do for the armies too?? Will they still be accredited?), Ford, JCB, etc etc??

To be honest, it's not just the rebels who are not rebelling. My DH and many like him are just avoiding the news. That isn't because they like Brexit or think that the government is doing a good job, but because they've just decided to believe that when push comes to shove, the government won't REALLY hurt the UK and "something" will be sorted out.

Besides, the World Cup is on and the sun is out. England beat a not-especially-renowned team by a considerable margin. Nothing could ever go wrong, could it?

They are in for a shock when Project Reality is finally revealed in April next year. I am genuinely worried for DH's mental health when it happens - I am wondering if he'll start blaming me for not thinking positively enough, or something.

we really do not know how many people would have voted for this type of brexit.
That’s what happens when you are voting for something with your eyes closed and having no idea what you are voting for.
Seeing that. O One ever defined what voting NO meant, we end up with ... well something decided by ‘someone’, by we don’t know who, following discussions behind closed doors and following discussions we dint know anything about.

Add comments about how MPs are threatened, bullied, etc etc....

Sympathies Pineapple - at least DH and I are mostly on the same page with Brexit, we only differ in the degree of urgency with which we ought to emigrate

@Motheroffourdragons . Nope. Don't feel sorry for anyone who voted Brexit and finds themselves in the poop post Brexit.
If you vote for chaos, you get chaos. Not saying Remaining was some perfect nirvana, far from it. But if you deliberately smash things up because you are "kwoss" what do you expect?

I think it's become increasing clear that not only Brexit is nothing to do with the UKs membership or otherwise of the EU, but it never was. Moreover there were quite a few fellow travellers with the Leavers, that had - and still have - their own agenda.

For every Airbus, I'm starting to think there's a Widgets Inc. that thinks they can leverage the situation to their advantage.

Adam Langleben @ adamlangleben
Thread: 1. Harrow East CLP. The place I attended my first CLP meeting, with a Jewish population of 7.3% tonight voted to affiliate to the radical fringe group Jewish Voice for Labour.
2. JvL have hosted Holocaust revisionists, deny antisemitism in the Labour Party and represent no more than a few hundred out of 280k British Jews.
3. Harrow East is home to a number of synagogues and whilst politics vary many would be happy to host organisations critical of Israeli policies or in support of the Palestinians. None would ever host JvL for the above reasons.
4. Members in Harrow East who voted for it tonight decided that a narrow radical obsessive fringe sect who are playing out a war against the Jewish community from the inside of Labour are more important than the thousands of Jewish constituents in Harrow East. Labour in 2018.

Langleben was one of the Labour councillors who lost his seat at the local elections.

I think I have now joined the 'tough shit' brigade. If my racist, poorly educated MIL in her 90s can sit down and think through the options and know that it was complex and she wasn't really well informed enough to make a decision but decided that Remain or keeping the status quo seemed the better option, then so could the rest.

I am angry that they are trying to blame Remainers for the chaos they will cause, which is why I have been on the three marches in London, and one much smaller one in Oxford, and will continue to march.

@Motheroffourdragons I genuinely admire your compassion and your concern for the effect of the consequences on all of us.
I am a Prepper and my children, my dh and I are entitled to ROI, that is, EU passports. My days of giving a shiny one about anyone who isn't directly and practically useful to us have passed.

Yep...me too. I'm done feeling sorry for these idiots.
Sunderland, Cornwall, hull, grimsby....they can swim through the shit with the rest of us as far as I'm concerned.
My neighbour works for a car manufacturer. Voted leave. I couldn't give the tiniest shit what happens to them.
Dh is still in denial. Still seems to think it wont affect his company.
All I can do is plan for my kids so they don't suffer.

The blame will all come on the EU for punishing, and remainers for not getting behind leaving.

I'm awaiting a great wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Nope.
I'm done.
I'm trying my hardest to shield my kids from the worst of it.
But their friends?
It makes me heartsick 😔

It is heartbreaking.

The worst thing is most people voting to leave did not do so out of bitterness or the class war crap surferjet comes out with.

They did it to make their lives better. They won't be.

My family and me. Is all I care about now. I used to care about the wider community. It was a shock to be in my mid fifties and realise I was wrong to do so.

I expect my children and grandchildren to leave the country, sooner or later. We are retired and I suspect will just have to take what comes.

However, I could just see May, if she survives that long, cancelling Brexit at the very last minute. She has form for doing spectacular U turns.

I have an Irish Mum. My dh has an Irish Dad. We are already Irish citizens as a consequence and can readily get a passport.
My dd can apply for citizenship as my nephew has done.
I prep for all sorts including bad weather etc. This is just another thing to prep for. If I don't need it, great. If I do, I'm only going to help out those who can help us.
The wider community voted to flush everything down the toilet.