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Westminstenders: Don't Panic!

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RedToothBrush · 21/06/2018 08:04

It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

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DGRossetti · 24/06/2018 15:58

Most people in mainland U.K. are utterly clueless about obligations to NI

FTFY Grin

54321go · 24/06/2018 15:59

Just thought I would look at the Henry VIII act and pulled this up.
It is from Australia.

First, a fairy story ...
“Gather around, children, and listen to this Grimm fairytale:
Once upon a time, a very long time ago, there lived a very wicked king –
and he
was a king with a capital “K”. The name of this ki
ng was King Henry VIII. He was
a very large man,... we also had it on good authority that he ate very large

meals,... he certainly had a large number of wives, admittedly most of them only
for a short period of time. He also decided to have very large powers to make

laws, and so it came to pass that this large King ensured that there was an Act.

And if this very large King hadn’t got his Act, probably someone would have got
an axe. This Act was called the
Statute of Sewers
. That is not sewers as in Suez
Canal, because this was long ago in 1531. The Statute of Sewers really was a

stinker. As the Donoughmore Committee said:
‘The Statute delegates legislative powers, taxing powers and judicial powers.’
Ever since then, those good fairy godmothers, Parliament and scrutiny

committees, have been trying to undo that kind of excessive grant of power. And
but for those Parliamentary scrutiny committees and the courts, we would have

all lived very unhappily ever after. Even today there are still some “Henry VIII

cla
uses”, so we all remain relatively miserable.”
Professor Douglas Whalan, paper presented to the Third Commonwealth

BigChocFrenzy · 24/06/2018 16:01

Yup, the few Leavers talking about NI keep claiming that it would be "EU forces" who would get attacked if the EU puts up a border (as WTO rules require)

However - apart from the fact that any EU border staff would be RoI and would only be attacked by Loyalists -
any IRA organised attacks would be in the City of London, since they know that works like a silver bullet

20nil · 24/06/2018 16:06

The threat of a hard border in Ireland has been exaggerated. It would take a lot for violence to erupt again, not least because of the generational shift since the worst of the Troubles. But it’s not a risk worth taking and symbolically it would be a huge mistake as it would give loyalists and the IRA a focus for their hateful ideas.

Icantreachthepretzels · 24/06/2018 16:07

any IRA organised attacks would be in the City of London, since they know that works like a silver bullet

Considering that brexit (especially a hard one) will do far more damage to the city than any bomb ever could - this may no longer be true.

54321go · 24/06/2018 16:11

That's a good point, where are the banks and market (trading floors) in this now? Some were thinking Frankfurt etc a while ago.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/06/2018 16:25

I think a few IRA bombs in the City after Brexit could be the final straw, causing most banks & financial institutions to move out.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/06/2018 16:31

There might well be a handful of IRA hardliners who'd love to cripple the old enemy in revenge.
It literally would only take a single IRA Active Service Unit, a handful of people

Heck, some young hardliners in the mid-1990s, even undiscovered UK "sleepers", might only be in their 40s now

54321go · 24/06/2018 16:32

Thinking, wasn't there a 'scheme' to encourage banks and traders to stay in London?

woman11017 · 24/06/2018 16:44

I think a few IRA bombs in the City after Brexit
The violent fascists who march round london(and elsewhere) on a pretty regular basis now are serving this purpose already, BigChoc. Business is voting with its feet already; who wants to do business with a regime working in league with these thugs.

54321go · 24/06/2018 16:54

I wonder what Queen Victoria is whispering in Mrs May's ear at night?
Half the planet to,,,,,,,,,?

DGRossetti · 24/06/2018 17:16

It literally would only take a single IRA Active Service Unit, a handful of people

Who might still be in play. There's no way British intelligence had all of them listed anyway. And you can bet your life with the increase in Muslimic terrorists ( (c) T. Robinson) any funding for keeping tabs on the IRA was slowly pared back, making it impossible to watch out for new activity.

It would be a shock for a new generation of British intelligence to come up against a proper threat. No comic-book plots from the IRA.

DGRossetti · 24/06/2018 17:18

Thinking, wasn't there a 'scheme' to encourage banks and traders to stay in London?

Biggest threat might be a flight of US personnel. (Remember how 9/11 kept London quite US-tourist free for a while ? Bruce Willis )

woman11017 · 24/06/2018 17:27

The citizen journalist news agency dokuz8 is reporting that the main opposition CHP party is confident its candidate Muharrem Ince will finish very close indeed to Erdoğan, and in any case force a run-off round next month

@dokuz8_EN
CHP reports initial vote shares as around 45% for President Erdoğan, and around 41% for CHP's presidential candidate Muharrem İnce. #TurkeyElections

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jun/24/turkey-elections-muharrem-ince-recep-tayyip-erdogan-polls-live-updates-2018

DGRossetti · 24/06/2018 17:29

time for a laugh ....

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woman11017 · 24/06/2018 17:35

@dokuz8_EN
Main opposition CHP spokesperson Bülent Tezcan announced that it is impossible for President & AKP Erdoğan to receive any more votes than 48%.

Ooh.

RedToothBrush · 24/06/2018 17:38

Have you seen the photos of the anti-erdogan rallies yesterday on social media? They are something to behold.

But there's things going on that suggest tonight after the result is announced might not be too pretty.

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RedToothBrush · 24/06/2018 17:39

People will only understand Brexit when Brexit comes knocking on their door...

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ttprw · 24/06/2018 17:47

I'll be the same here when Toyota leavered

54321go · 24/06/2018 17:49

Suggests a triumph of 'propaganda'. Surely the folks at Airbus MUST know it is an international company as their wings go off to Toulouse to join the rest of the plane.

SwedishEdith · 24/06/2018 17:53

How does anyone know how Airbus employees voted? That area might have voted Leave but doesn't mean those employees did.

RedToothBrush · 24/06/2018 17:53

I bet plenty don't.

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54321go · 24/06/2018 17:57

@swedish. Yes true of course, apart from Airbus there is relatively little else going on around there.
Similar around Sunderland.

SwedishEdith · 24/06/2018 17:57

WARNING - SENSITIVE CONTENT***

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ttprw · 24/06/2018 17:59

...and Prince William is touring the "sensitive"middle east areas...