Westminstenders: Don't Panic!

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It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

Swedish it's not too far from my next of the woods. I have a number of friends who live in that constituency and the neighbouring ones. There was a huge number of people who worked at the likes of Vauxhall and Airbus who did vote leave, and it was shocking to see what they were saying at the time. I'm not in the least surprised to see suggestions like that though I'm dubious of where the figures come from. Canvassing there at the last GE was 'interesting' by all accounts.

Suggests a triumph of 'propaganda'. Surely the folks at Airbus MUST know it is an international company as their wings go off to Toulouse to join the rest of the plane.
Nope. Seen comments around me, it will not surprise me that they voted Leave.

Fwiw my PL voted Leave. They are farmers receiving EU subsidies. They have a european DIL and european grand children.
We don’t talk about that becaus they just believe whatever the government is saying.
So their MP says that EU citizens will be fine and will be ‘allowed’ to stay. It apparently means I have nothing to fear. Examples of stupid things done by the HO are dismissed ‘because we don’t know the full facts’
People see only what they want to see.
(They are also lovely people who actually learned a few words of French when we first got married.... they just have never rested the full impact of what voting Leave meant)

If you're dry, it's easier to chose for others to get wet

dg that made me spit my drink out.
The picture, not the wet comment.

Jim Pickard @ pickardje
more than 50 Tory MPs - including sitting cabinet ministers - would vote to prevent a no-deal Brexit if necessary, senior Europhile Tories have warned

www.ft.com/content/1c1e8fe6-7626-11e8-b326-75a27d27ea5f
Bloc of Conservative MPs ready to thwart any no-deal Brexit
Former ministers claim at least 50 in Commons who would rebel

This is a reassuring article, especially given talk of using the Humble address.

The problem is, that how do you block no deal if those negotiating don't come up with a deal to begin with?

Story comes from a former 'Cabinet Minister'. How many MPs used to be in cabinet and now are no longer in Cabinet?

My list is:
Fallon, Crabb, IDS, Greening, Morgan, Patel, Letwin, Clarke, Rudd & Green. Of which IDS, Patel and Letwin can be eliminated.

As I say; Brexiteers don't want a deal being put on the table. They see a deal being drawn up as the bad thing now. They will do anything to sabotage talks now, or to rile and upset the EU in order to achieve that.

Even this article, ironically, makes it more likely they will just try and stop a deal being agreed. Politically then, it's also easier to blame the EU for not offering us a deal.

Rough ride ahead

@RTB, a bit early yet I know but have you another cute pic for the next thread?

@dokuz8_EN
Owner of the Gezici Research Agency Murat Gezici claims on the CHP-owned Halk TV: "Erdoğan has lost, the presidential election will be decided in the run-off." #TurkeyElections

Early days yet: vast discrepancies between government and local results stats.

Meanwhile, in the parliamentary poll, the pro-Kurdish HDP party is agonisingly close to achieving the 10% minimum of the national vote it requires for parliamentary representation - almost certainly depriving Erdoğan’s AKP party of its majority

@MustafaEdib
Major news coming in shortly, regarding pro-Kurdish HDP. Even the pro-government media put its share of vote at 9.9% right now with about a third of all votes still remain non-counted. So, it's happening, again, a parliament with at least 50 HDP deputies.

Imagine........

Rough ride ahead that is the truth, ruth.
Timing is all.

Erdoğan's AKP party set to lose parliamentary majority

The state-run Anadolu Agency has confirmed that the pro-Kurdish HDP party has passed the 10% threshold required for parliamentary representation

With 69% of votes counted, the party is at 10.4% of the vote - almost certainly depriving the president’s AKP party of its parliamentary majority

De Erdoganning Turkey could be quite a democratic win for us.

Putin will be drop his handbag, but Turks are cleverer.

Nope, he's back in

Alexander Clarkson Retweeted
Selim Sazak
‏*@scsazak*
70% of the ballot boxes are counted. Not 70% of the ballots. In the countryside, some ballot boxes have 50-6 votes whereas in some metropolitan areas, they can have thousands.

Why don't they want a deal? Do they hate the EU so much that they don't want to trade with them?

I don't often quote the orange dictator but this is important

Donald j trump @ imvisitingtheuksoon
We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came. Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order. Most children come without parents...

David Allen Green @ DavidAllengreen
"with no Judges or Court Cases"

That he then asserts that he wants "Law and Order" makes this priceless, for there is no law or order without judges and courts, because there is then no way of applying the law in individual cases.

The Secret Barrister @ barristersecret
He genuinely believes that "Law and Order" is best achieved by having "no Judges or Court Cases". Otherwise known as "vigilantism".

The thing about this assertion is that when Trump perceives his rights as being infringed or violated, he often expressly threatens "see you in court".

David Allen Green @ DavidAllengreen
A court, for Trump, is where he can threaten to litigate his rights, but not where anyone else can litigate their rights.

The truth is that Trump dislikes Courts, for all his threats of "see you in Court". His business MO was to bully a settlement out of the threat, before any trial.

Courts take control from the powerful and gives it to a third party to decide.

And that is why they are essential.

glances at Twitter

happens to see President of the United States of America threaten to dispense with the Rule of Law

types a few ineffective tweets

goes back to other tasks

2018

I'll also just make the point that we are leaving the ECJ and May wants to leave the ECHR.

Greg Hands @ Greghands
Great to arrive back in the UK at Luton Airport in time for the match today and to vote against #Heathrow expansion tomorrow. I wouldn’t want to be abroad for either of those. #commitments.

Sarah Wollaston MP @ sarahwollaston
Paging Boris

Slash 'obscene' Home Office fees, say MPs and campaigners

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/24/reduce-home-office-fees-say-mps-campaigners

The real reason TM wants to leave the ECHR. To go hell for leather with the hostile environment.

Forget last night's naiveté. She's a devious gobshite.

Abdullah Ayasun
‏*@abyasun*

According to Hurriyet/AA, the number of voters in Turkey is 59 million. The votes legitimately accepted is 79 million. The most egregious display of manipulation. How can 79 million stamped, legitimate ballot papers be registered in a country with 59 million voters? #Secim2018

I'm now back from the demo, and glad that I went. I know the Broughton area quite well, and there are few immigrants there - unless you count the incomers from England?

Peregrina seems to prove the trend that those who have little experience of something are the ones who fear it most.

1Km isn't much of an 'incomer'!
When you have a vote it is good to have a few spare in case some get lost in your pocket or somewhere.

I was being tongue in cheek 54321.

I had to look up where it actually was. I have been past it loads of times but never actually to Broughton. Used to watch the Beluga most days.
Upside, less pollution over Wales!

Danniz they don’t want a deal because there’s no way to get a hard brexit via a deal.

Plus they’ll make a packet selling short and follow the economic crash by selling off public services. Disaster capitalism.