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Westminstenders: Don't Panic!

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RedToothBrush · 21/06/2018 08:04

It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

Westminstenders: Don't Panic!
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GingerPCatt · 23/06/2018 09:55

Enjoy the march. I’m with you in spirit 🇪🇺

woman11017 · 23/06/2018 09:58

From your post last night BigChoc re US baby detention. It is chillingly shocking.

But, without the cages, it is happening here. Taking children is being used as an actual threat to parents. Immigration squads are swooping in on our fellow citizens, and taking away one's children is part of HO state weaponry.
Councils “threatening to take children of undocumented parents into care
localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34832

May's plan to deprive children with queried nationality status of education:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38165395

And this was happening on labour watch:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/detaining-children-in-britain-no-place-for-the-innocent-1864768.html

Gordon Brown's forced apology for calling out racism was the turning point. That was when the racists in labour and tories won, and the BBC became openly sociopathic. Jeremy Vyne's modest talents seem to have been richly rewarded since he humiliated Brown live on air.

I don't think the media dares report it now. But there are voluntary organisations and lawyers devoted to trying to mitigate this. State is definitely playing from the weimar song book.

Channel 4 news' report on immigration last night was too sad. The Jamaican elders being deprived of their homes/ jobs/ health were my peers and could have been my old boy and school friends. Too sad.

prettybird · 23/06/2018 09:59

Grin Susan

QuentinSummers · 23/06/2018 10:05

Liam Fox is a prime example of why we don't have a "meritocracy". He says the most stupid things yet still gets voted in year after year. He is my MP and he makes my blood boil

prettybird · 23/06/2018 10:09

I've mentioned this before but when Fox was a junior doctor, he worked for my dad (the mildest of men, who always thinks the best of people until proven otherwise). He said he was a bit dim. Wink

Plonkysaurus · 23/06/2018 10:19

Thanks to everyone marching today. I haven't the means to get down to London from the shire, but I'd love to.

I think we're at the point now where the pressure is really piling on. Big businesses are economic multipliers, and when they start threatening to/actually pull out, you'd expect the "party of business" to take note. Add in the Momentum grass roots movement to stop Brexit, Lib Dems by-election surges, EU ratcheting up tensions with plans for the UK crashing out, and I think we're looking at that autumn GE.

TM can avoid it all. She can submit to the EU to stay in the SM and CU, to BINO and then fall on her sword. Surely? (I really am crossing everything)

woman11017 · 23/06/2018 10:29

Please be safe, everyone. There are several welll funded fascist men's organisations 'rallying' near to parliament square. I don't know why they are being allowed to gather so near to the Pro EU march.

RedToothBrush · 23/06/2018 10:39

Liam Fox The Cabinet is a prime example of why we don't have a "meritocracy".

Fixed that for you.

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20nil · 23/06/2018 10:47

Good luck to all marchers today. Was at the last one but can’t make it today sadly. With you in spirit.

lonelyplanetmum · 23/06/2018 10:51

Right- let's march.

prettybird · 23/06/2018 10:51

Talking to dh about BoJo's "Fuck Business" comment, and he has pointed out that the UK doesn't have a "governing class"; we have a "ruling class" - especially when the Conservatives are in power.

They don't give a fuck (to use BoJo's language) about the "little people".

twofingerstoEverything · 23/06/2018 10:59

Thought I couldn't go, but last-minute cancellation of other business means I can, so I'm off to catch train!

colouringinagain · 23/06/2018 11:10

With all you marchers in spirit. Praying it's peaceful and makes a difference!!!!

Violetparis · 23/06/2018 11:42

Can anyone explain what a People's Vote actually means ? I am struggling to find a clear answer, if we were to have a vote and reject the deal does this mean we stay in the EU, renegotiate a deal or crash out ?

54321go · 23/06/2018 11:48

It's not a case of TM 'submitting' to the EU.
The EU are standing still (on negotiations) and it is TM and the gov demanding more. Similar to your child demanding a third ice cream. You've said OK to two but 3 is too much.
While the government 'bugger around' the EU is preparing for something near a catastrophe and have 'cash' available to help European companies over the change that will happen. Over a Trillion Euros, that is (if I am correct) about a third of the UKs total budget for a year. I would be damn pissed off at having to 'waste' so much money for a weird project like Brexit. Still, it will be Europe's gain.

AndSheSteppedOnTheBall · 23/06/2018 12:11

Good luck marchers, and stay safe. I think the best hope we have is that Labour finally backs a new vote, or just staying in. I hope Jezza is watching and listening.

Boris has made the direction of travel perfectly plain - it’s No Deal. Logically, it has to be No Deal or BINO, there’s nothing else on the table. And since the ERG will not accept BINO (they will collapse the government before they allow that to happen), it’s No Deal.

The best we can hope for at this point, if Labour doesn’t step up, is an extension of Art 50 and an eventual acknowledgement that the whole idea is crackers.

I’m preparing for No Deal.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/06/2018 12:31

woman As usual, it is the very young, the old and the disabled who are most vulnerable
when a govt targets those ethnicities it doesn't like

SwedishEdith · 23/06/2018 12:32

if we were to have a vote and reject the deal does this mean we stay in the EU, renegotiate a deal or crash out ?

Crashing out is the only option at the moment. We can't stay in without revoking Art 50. Leaving is a legal process set off by TM when she triggered art 50 - with no preparation. The dereliction of duty is frightening.

SwedishEdith · 23/06/2018 12:34

It was the headline news on BBC today. That's great! Good luck, wish I was there - have done two. Atmosphere is fantastic.

woman11017 · 23/06/2018 12:40

Wonder why the BBC has all its cameras trained on a march they ignored for the last 2 years.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/06/2018 12:42

Bojo's foul-mouthed remark to an EU diplomat - during a Foreign Office reception to celebrate the Queen’s birthday, to win friends ! -
is a shocking diplomatic gaffe but also
should mark the death-knell of the Tory claim to be the "party of business"

For decades, that was their strength
but now they have reverted to the naked "rule for the rich, by the rich" that was thought to have died with universal suffrage
They don't even have the genuine sense of noblesse oblige for the plebs that some of the old Tory aristocracy - e.g. Alec Douglas Home - had.

The Tories are now the party of spivs who flirt with fascists
but over 40% of the public evidently favour this
So I suppose the country gets the govt - and the Brexit - it deserves

BigChocFrenzy · 23/06/2018 12:47

The A50 default is no deal.

If May dithers & does the unfunky chicken for long enough, no deal happens automatically

The Ultras only have to pressure her into keeping the red lines and they get their Year Zero dream:
Singapore on Thames, or as far as the economy goes, Kampuchea on Thames.

Violetparis · 23/06/2018 12:55

Thanks SwedishEdith. Does that mean the People's Vote idea is a non starter ? I don't mean the protest, marches etc but rather the calls for a vote/second referendum ?

BigChocFrenzy · 23/06/2018 13:20

A 2nd ref to approve a deal would have to be another binary question, to get the requisite 50% for action

The choice would probably be
May / DD's deal vs no deal
or (unlikely)
May / DD's deal vs Remain
or
no deal vs Remain

However, no prospect that May will abandon the red lines in time for a deal before Brexit day, let alone to organise an informed referendum campaign
At most, this could happen in a transition period, if the EU decides it needs one for its own prepping.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/06/2018 13:22

For a People's Vote on a deal'
the UK has to get its arse into gear and actually negotiate a deal Angry

Currently, the only vote that could be held is
no deal vs Remain

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