Westminstenders: Rebel or Reveal

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The EU Withdrawal Bill made it through the Commons. Though May did not manage it unscathed.

In an attempt to divide and conquer the Rebels, May might have damaged trust. We shall find out. The Grieve Amendment faces the Lords. We also will see if the Lords will back down on their amendments or apply some new ones for the Commons to deal with in Parliamentary Ping Pong.

Aaron Banks has been exposed as being pally with the Russian Embassy in a plot twist that absolutely everyone saw coming.

Meanwhile the EU thinks we have already run out of time and is preparing options to extend talks beyond the a50 deadline. These include having MEPs for the 2019 - 2024 session.

There is also growing talk around Europe that freedom of movement in its current form is unsustainable. Ironically we might see the EU adopt something akin to Cameron's pre-referendum proposals as the EU reforms.

Theresa May has also announced - at a moment when she is looking particularly weak - a new tax for the NHS, cunningly disguised in spin as 'the Brexit dividend'. Of course shareholders don't always get dividends and at times of poor economic performance instead might be asked to stump up extra capital...Expect to see buses with £350 million of the side just in time for the next general election cycle.

And so the Zombie PM limbers on towards the end of the summer session and the relative safety of the summer holidays. More drama, cringing and disbelief guaranteed before we get there.

Oh FFS, this rhetoric is nonsense, and ridiculously offensive. This is not in any way comparable to the poll tax, and it’s disgusting to call people who are being realistic equalivalent to Nazis or Nazi sympathisers.

Fuck right off with that.

I don’t have kids, so I’ll look my dog in the face and tell him “not in my name”, and his response will be about as meaningful as Parliament’s on Saturday.

I am not your enemy here, and I will have in no way contributed to Brexit. It’s the people who are parroting, “let’s just get on with it” from a position of total ignorance that you want to get angry at. I try every day to get people to wake up, but they won’t.

I agree Andshe a very poor showing from Labour.
But the Tories still fear a Corbyn government.
A kind of coalition could happen. Well, these are strange times. It does feel like anything could happen.

So what do you suggest we do AndSheSteppedOnTheBall?

I will admit that for me, part of my continued protest is to be able to say, "I told you so".

But there again, given that not a single one of my friends is a Remainer and none of them has a good word to say about Brexit, I'm not sure who I'm planning on saying it to

I fly the EU flag all the time, to show that I am proud of my European identity
it's on my bike, my rucksack, my desk at work

(however, not brave - that brings me no aggro in Germany. In fact a couple of people at the gym copied my bike flag)

The JLR departure to Slovakia is a start. I know they say an electric model will be developed and built in the UK but that is quite a while off and the parent company (TATA) is Indian so no real incentive to stay in the UK especially as the UK is probably not going to be 'progressive' enough to embrace electric vehicles.
It needs a couple more high profile companies to pull out to get the message through. Maybe Nissan or even Vauxhall, although saying that they are mostly Northern so London won't give a stuff.
Major banking could do the trick though especially as many customers will be on shaky ground.
I think emergency measures would be called in if the ports jammed up, we can let stuff IN without full customs control I would expect, obviously far from ideal but possible, but exports out would clog solid. So we wouldn't necessarily starve. Which crops are ready in March/April, expect to see a huge variety of recipes for these on MN, assuming they get planted. With no immigrants it will be pick your own.

I only once got yelled at and the car came very close at high speed - but it had UK plates

If you are in Scotland and going to London this Saturday to March well done. If you are in Scotland but can't get to London please consider joining the March that has been organised by Perth4Europe and supported by the European Movement in Scotland this Sunday, June 24th from 2pm - 3pm - lots of great speakers too here is the link for more info www.euromovescotland.org.uk/events/event/march-brexit-sunday-24-june-2-00-3-00pm-perth/

^Oh FFS, this rhetoric is nonsense, and ridiculously offensive. This is not in any way comparable to the poll tax, and it’s disgusting to call people who are being realistic equalivalent to Nazis or Nazi sympathisers.
Fuck right off with that^

The poll tax attack, was when I realised how the state would attack its own people. I know, I was there. Completely relevant.
Yes, those who do not challenge brexit are complicit. It's just like Germany in the 1930s. I know, I've got a stunted family tree as a result.
And, don't swear comrade.

But the Tories still fear a Corbyn government.

Why? So far he's given them everything they want. In a ideal world the parties would both split into Remain and Leave and then we would know where we were.

The Japanese ambassador said clearly that Japanese companies invested in the UK because of the SM and won't stay if Brexit damages their profit margins.
Japanese companies employ a few 100,000s in the Uk

However, companies would probably stay until the end of each model cycle, which is about 4 years for cars, before they have to retool for facelifts and later for new models.

So, it depends on which manufacturers, of any nationality, are near the end of a model cycle.

With no immigrants it will be pick your own.

This is what they voted for. Most of our local fruit farms are PYO. Most of them have diversified into Car boots sales, Maize mazes, keeping animals to attract the kiddies, Farm shops and the farming is becoming a sideline.

Crikey, will need a new thread title by the morning!
IF MNHQ is watching, could these Brexit threads be put in a more prominent place please? The subject being talked about here is important to everyone whether remain or leave.

With friends working in the Mini plant in Oxford, I do wonder how many of them will be off to Germany in the next couple of years.

I wish I could be there in Sunday. I will be cheering you all on.

I’m not saying don’t march woman - believe me, I hope it has an impact as much as anyone. We keep speaking up, keep telling the truth, stay informed and don’t bury our heads in the sand.

I just think the effectiveness of protest died with the Iraq march. We are in disturbing political times and it’s been coming on for decades.

This whole thing feels so huge - the revelations from Carole Cadwalladr and James Patrick about Russia are terrifying. The EU is now dealing with Trump and Putin, and it’s losing the UK to them. I can’t see how the US can get out of its own mess anymore than we can.

Honestly I feel all we can really do is try to limit the damage we will individually experience, and just hope it somehow de-escalates (or that it isn’t so bad in the end).

Not in my name.

Never in my name.

woman. I will say this one more time. I am challenging Brexit. I am not complicit.

And I will swear at anyone who compares me to a fucking Nazi.

However, without Norway+ / transition, ports would be log-jammed,
So companies with JIT supply chains from abroad might leave quite quickly after Brexit

at least expect a few 100,000 layoffs quite quickly
rising to even 2 million within a year or so

iirc, MrsT's de-industrialisation / nor supporting "lame ducks" quite quickly added 2 million unemployed
The replacement jobs over the years since have been mostly too few, too late, too poorly paid

Picking soft fruit in the sun, while boring is OK.
Picking cauliflowers and root veg in heavy rain and sleet is rather less fun. I used to watch the workers, possibly Romanian doing this starting at 7:30 in the morning and working through to about 8:00 in the evening.

It's important that later we can point back to marches warning of all this misery

re airbus wings

the main reason these are built in the uk originated in the design expertise at filton, the early wings were significantly more efficient than the competition - that design and associated build expertise had been maintained though the competition is now much tougher - post brexit who knows, loss of design responsibility would hurt.

(that expertise originated in the teams that built concorde, we no longer have the expertise or capability to build an airliner let alone a concorde equivalent)

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Totally agree; only something major might wake people up. My father used to say that people only understand when it hits them in the pocket!

Since JIT is all about efficiency I would expect there are a fair few that would need to be out quickly.
Reminds me of the skit on Eurotunnel many years back with the TGV hurtling into the tunnel at Calais and a little steam train appearing at Dover.

I think we have often outsourced farm labour - I used to audit years ago, and went to a farm in the early 90s when they said that the days of roving gangs of fruit pickers were over. I think they used to be mainly Irish travellers, and of course, East Enders went hop picking before the War. Can't somehow see the workers in Canary Wharf chartering a train to take them down to Kent for a fortnight's hop picking.