Westminstenders: Rebel or Reveal

[RedToothBrush]

The EU Withdrawal Bill made it through the Commons. Though May did not manage it unscathed.

In an attempt to divide and conquer the Rebels, May might have damaged trust. We shall find out. The Grieve Amendment faces the Lords. We also will see if the Lords will back down on their amendments or apply some new ones for the Commons to deal with in Parliamentary Ping Pong.

Aaron Banks has been exposed as being pally with the Russian Embassy in a plot twist that absolutely everyone saw coming.

Meanwhile the EU thinks we have already run out of time and is preparing options to extend talks beyond the a50 deadline. These include having MEPs for the 2019 - 2024 session.

There is also growing talk around Europe that freedom of movement in its current form is unsustainable. Ironically we might see the EU adopt something akin to Cameron's pre-referendum proposals as the EU reforms.

Theresa May has also announced - at a moment when she is looking particularly weak - a new tax for the NHS, cunningly disguised in spin as 'the Brexit dividend'. Of course shareholders don't always get dividends and at times of poor economic performance instead might be asked to stump up extra capital...Expect to see buses with £350 million of the side just in time for the next general election cycle.

And so the Zombie PM limbers on towards the end of the summer session and the relative safety of the summer holidays. More drama, cringing and disbelief guaranteed before we get there.

An ID card would be provided by the state. Banks happily shell out for new cards for when you put it through the washing machine. The card itself is not expensive. The data represented on the card is already existing on Gov databases.
Yes a passport is necessary and is obviously a choice if you want to go abroad.
It is more than insulting to equate an attempt at a fairly rational discussion about Brexit, the biggest fiasco since goodness knows when which is already hitting poorer folk hard in the pocket with muppets who can't decide which shoes to wear.

@Anna_Soubry
Bloomin' Brexit - why it's so important to get it right: mailchi.mp/9fdb5d1e08ba/heres-to-a-great-1598339 … #MeaningfulVote

You were right MrsR I wouldn't trust Soubry further than I could throw her. One of this shower of shite has to be a brutus.

@JulieOwenMoylan
Your reminder to check 2019 flights and holiday bookings for a Brexit clause. Many companies have inserted it in case they can’t fly after Brexit. You will also lose the EU statutory compensation for delayed/cancelled flights.
May mean no travel insurance payouts too.

Nice to hear from you, LH, but not to hear such grim news
Best wishes for your health and I hope that somehow you soon receive satisfactory replacement meds

An ID card would be provided by the state 54321go

My memory says that when labour tried to introduce one in the 1990/2000 people had to pay to get one.

As a member of HM Forces I carried an id card all the time - but moved around a lot. So if had to keep changing address (and paying for that) it would be onerous. £10 is a lot if on UC/benefits.

But HMG would keep trying to add things to ID card. Get benefits/NHS care/Driving/library card ... who has access to that data? how do you correct mistakes? No faith in IT knowledge of HMG.

Best wishes LH hope the medicine does become available.

LH
Love to you and yours x

woman what a two faced article soubry is... I remember when she was a newsreader on local news around here...she was just as insincere and patronising then.

I don't truly believe any of the rebels - except poss Dominic grieve - will put country before their own ambition their party.

Also....Ive had a busy couple of weeks..bojo and gove are a bit quiet aren't they???....

(Or is that wishful thinking...)

EU Leaders Call for More Preparations for No-Deal Brexit

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-19/eu-leaders-call-for-more-preparations-for-no-deal-brexit

European Union leaders will next week say they’re concerned about the lack of progress in Brexit talks,
and call for member states to step up preparations in case no deal is reached, according to the first draft of their summit statement.
…
Leaders will meet in Brussels on June 28-29.
Their draft conclusions will undergo revisions before they’re published after the meeting.

But why are people making ID cards is difficult?
In France, you get your first ID card free. Then any new one is free as long as you can give the old one back.
There is no need to change it every time you move (unlike the driving licence here).
The only thing they ask you is your birth certificate.

The ONE place where I can see an issue is for people who arrive here a long time ago, when the U.K. still had colonies and would struggle to ‘prove’ they are British citizens. But that’s not an issue with ID cards. It’s an issue with the stupid immigrations laws in the U.K.

You really don’t need to make it complicated or difficult (the way the US are making it atm. They are currently denying American citizens pasprta in the grounds that their birth certificate isn’t enough to prove they are American - in a country where you are American if you are born on American soil)

tamb because we're British and its what we do best

ID cards can actually help innocent people:

I remember several cases where criminals when caught gave the name of someone else, a respectable citizen
who only found out later - when credit ratings etc dived - that they were officially recorded as having convictions.

Police & courts can't currently demand someone have a drivers licence or passport or any other reliable ID

Many reports say that May actually went back on her word, e.g.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/17/may-grieve-brexit-constitutional-crisis

She actually broke a promise - to get her own way - a promise to her own MP, Grieve and the colleagues he was representing

How can her own party trust her, let alone the rest of us ?
The atmosphere on the Tory benches must be dreadful, full of mutual mistrust & anger at betrayal

How can the EU leaders trust May, if she makes a dramatic appeal at the EU leaders conference next week and say, promises to bring new proposals to break the deadlock

Trust between leaders is so important, but they'd be mad to trust her

After reneging on the NI draft in December - also for political convenience - and now reneging on promises to her own MPs …
"Liar, Liar, pants on fire"

Lurking, I hope that some amazing alternative crops up and one day you can think about wasting your eyes again to come and say hello.
Thinking of you.

On I lighter note, I have reached the moment when I know I've been watching too much BBC Parliament.

Three year DS was playing with his toys and randomly came out with:

Say Aye.
Aye
To the contrary, No.
No.
The Ayes have it!

I don't know whether to laugh, cry or wet myself laughing.

Love mini red

Mine have been singing songs in praise of Belgian footballers which is a tad awkward

@Gaspode
As a member of the armed forces you are (kind of) working for the state so would get free cards issued as necessary.
Once you have a card saying who you are the assorted governmental databases would start with that basic info and not necessarily cross reference it to other branches. The card would identify you as Jane Doe 555, living at Anystreet, what each database holds against your name does not have to be shared. My card with NI number on it has no reference to my driving license apart from my name.
Most if not all the data for an ID card is already existing anyway but spread liberally throughout a myriad of leaky databases.
Not disagreeing with @BigChoc but surely if you are stopped when driving a car, police can demand you show a driving license (within a time period).

That's just so sweet red. We have a great new generation of mini (and young adult!) Westminstenders picking up the baton.

@RTB
In earlier thread incarnations you were pulling up loads of 'stuff', has it gone a bit quiet in terms of newsworthy items or have you found something more interesting than watching the paint dry?
Has your DS 'outgrown' the government yet?

At this rate they will have grown and be in parliament before the mess is over!

I don’t think I paid to change my address on my driving licence. FWIW, the DVLA seems to be a highly efficient outfit.

Natalie Nougayrède is starting to get it. This is what Merkel and open borders have unleashed:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/19/europe-progressive-far-right-eu-liberal

June 2018 shook Europe’s liberal order in unprecedented ways. First, there was a far-right show of strength in Italy (the first EU founding state to be run by a far-right dominated government), as the Aquarius migrant rescue ship was turned away. Next, the 31-year-old Austrian chancellor, Sebastian Kurz, who governs alongside the Freedom party, an institution created in the 1950s by former Nazis, heralded the creation of a new “axis of the willing” in Europe, comprising like-minded populists in Italy and Hungary.

Then came an assault on the power of Angela Merkel in Berlin. The chancellor has now been given a two-week ultimatum by her own federal minister of the interior, Horst Seehofer, leader of the conservative Bavarian Christian Social Union, a party that has absorbed just about all of the far-right Alternative für Deutschland rhetoric on migrants. The EU summit scheduled for the end of this month, and destined to dominated by the subject of immigration, is likely to be an acrimonious shambles.

I do hope Trump's visit is cancelled.
This tweet from a Texan Democrat about a baby in detention:

@JoaquinCastrotx
The youngest child (boy) I’ve seen here so far who was separated from his family is 8 months old and has been here over a month, according to administrators. #FamiliesBelongTogether

Fascism is like a forest fire. Once the tinder has caught........

Word is that the rebels are faltering?
The industrial quanitites of death threats must have persuaded them.

@Anna_Soubry
@MailOnline ringing members of Broxtowe Conservatives in the run up to tomorrow’s votes. They should be ringing me and asking why 2 police officers were in my office yesterday? Death threats becoming routine & making many of us more resolute #StandingFirm #MeaningfulVote

Brexists can only win by actual and threatened violence.
And lies.
Has the football stopped?

I've not been on twitter quite as much 54321go. Tuesdays are always a total write off for me anyway. Plus it has gone a little quieter and to an extent a lot of the things that were all feeding in together are more or less being recycled on the news rather than being fundamentally new.

Its not unusual for June. Its pretty typical for just before summer. No one can be particularly arsed. Its the wind down until the new autumn session when the longer nights mean people are distracted with going out in the evening.

Besides, I've made some cracking progress on my family history.

It'll crank up again soon enough.

Watch out for the new Tory manifesto stealing lots from Labour and the LDs. Cannabis is a good one to watch after Javid's intervention on for medicinal use for a boy having seizure and Hague declaring the war on cannabis had been lost. Its long been a LD policy...

I shall be watch Mr Bercow with DS tomorrow afternoon though.

54321 Yes, a driver stopped by police has a certain time period in which to present their licence at the station.
I may have misunderstood your point though: how does this affect ID cards, or people being convicted under false names ?

I suppose free cannabis for all so no one will notice you haven't got any money could be a way to go.

@Bigchoc
Only that issuing ID cards which have essentially the same (or actually less) information than is on a photo driving license is all that is needed if it is beneficial to go this route.
Pulling name, address, photo from a driving license and adding a 'serial number' (NI number or a new one) is all that is necessary. About a quarter of the UK have a driving license? Babies through to OAP would all need one but I would guess that in that range about a quarter will have a driving license. From your DL at present the police can already pull up insurance and vehicle registration (+MOT) details at the roadside. Having your card with you it is done and dusted. It costs a lot more to have to go to a police station (that's probably closed).