Westmistenders: 'No Deal please; We're British'

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It has to be said that its almost as if Tory Rebels are too polite to challenge the PM.

But the stakes are getting higher and higher as it becomes more and more apparent that it is a clear choice between a chaotic no deal situation or a BINO and there is no alternative to that.

If the Tory Rebels don't show their grit and are not prepared to be as strong in their determination as the Brexiteers - out of almost politeness and obligation - then No Deal awaits.

As things move forward, the threat to May once again re-emerges too. If May doesn't do what the ERG say they are minded and will try to oust her. They have nothing to lose by it.

The Tory knives are hidden behind backs one again. Waiting.

Which way will the Withdrawal Bill go? Which way will the Trade Bill later this month go?

We are running out of time and options: for either a deal or no deal.

Time has already run out for many ordinary people - they just might not know that yet, but the decision has already be made about their future.

I haven't seen the footage but I think the SNP had no choice. In sympathy with the words of the poet WB Yeats on the 23rd of June 2016 a terrible ugliness was born.

Whilst I'd like the SNP to sit out like Sinn Fein in protest, I sadly fear that means the current government would get a free ride to do whatever the fuck they like. The SNP have recently been acting like the official Opposition. Which I suppose is what you are when Labour aren't bothering.

They just make themselves look like spoiled kids😭😭😭

That is true Dobby, but I think being what it is, the government gets a free ride anyway. It is time to put an end to the farcical union.

I thought Scotland had It’s once in a live time vote and remain won, the majority of Scottish people wanted to stay in the UK

User...2886 - no, they were making a point after not being listened to last night. They've not walked out of Parliament permanently - just out of PMQs.

As Ian Blackford said afterwards to the BBC, the SNP will continue to use parliamentary devices to ensure Scotland's voice is heard.

So is Scotland a good or a bad place to be living right now?

User1486062886 - Scotland had a once in a lifetime vote to stay in the UK and were told that was the only way to stay in Europe. Following the referendum, it is clear that the majority of Scottish people wanted to Remain in Europe.

From my POV (as a Scottish resident), scotland is a great place to live right now.

I'll respond to you once and once only on this topic User...2886 (as we've been through this before many times on these threads) is that the Scottish electorate voted to stay in the UK on the basis of increased powers and because they were told that the only way that they could be guaranteed continued membership of the EU was if they voted No.

Both of these promises have been proven to be lies.

hanahsaunt And you will. Still be in Europe

The way Westminster views the union of the UK really shows precisely why there's and issue with the EU. Actual unions requiring working together and acknowledgement.

Danniz - it's a great place!

Woman - I'm putting a lot more effort in to my veg beds this year as part of my "prepping" in the event of a cliff-edge Brexit only half joking

The Tories are very keen to revisit constituency boundaries and numbers of MPs. Perhaps a positive move ( with the benefit of hind sight) would have been to increase the percentage representation of Scotland at Westminster.

prettybird I’ll think you will find by the dramatic loss of votes at the last GE, the SNP are not in touch with people re independence, on the other hand my FIL is Scottish, might think about a Scottish passport

Does this mean that today's Brexit votes will take place without the SNP?

User - recent polling shows support for independence holding up / gaining. The independence movement is more than the SNP!

The SNP leader can not vote for the rest of the day.

User,

Support for independence is not dwindling (and btw, there are people of all political stripes who support independence for Scotland, it’s a mistake to imagine that only SNP voters want independence).
Amongst young Scottish voters, age 34yo and under (who overwhelmingly want Scotland to remain in the EU), support for independence was polled at 59% last month.

Danniz I moved up 6 years ago and love it. There's no way would I move back to England.

I'm also a Scottish resident. Wondering whether in the light of the current Brexit situation others who are in Scotland would advise strong remainers to move up to Scotland. Not because Scotland is a lovely place to live (it is), but in the context of possible independence and re-joining the EU. Or is it just too theoretical at the moment, with so many problems in achieving it and then maintaining it (border with England etc), that it's really just pie-in-the-sky stuff?

BTW:

Andrew Woodcock @AndyWoodcock
On #Brexit meaningful vote, @theresa_may confirms there will be a Govt amendment, but tells #pmqs: "I cannot countenance Parliament being able to overturn the will of the British people"

Re May's response above:

Jo Maugham QC @JolyonMaugham
Let me count the ways in which this is nonsense.

1. By enacting an advisory referendum Parliament reserved to itself the choice of what to do with it.
2. Because the result was obtained through cheating and lies Parliament can sensibly conclude it doesn't represent the will of the people.
3. Even taking the result at face value someone has to choose what it means. That someone must be Parliament because the Government has no political authority to make that choice.
4. Even taking it at face value the result only represented the will of the then people then. It does not represent the will of the people now. And it does not represent the will of the now people.
5. From where stems Theresa May's authority to assert that the will of the people cannot be overturned? Our constitution says Parliament is always supreme.
6. The Supreme Court in Miller held that referendum had no legal effect.
7. Theresa May's language seeks to assert an all encompassing power, and to shed democratic and constitutional constraint. It's the language of demagoguery. Shame on her. /ENDS

If there is a vote today, in which there is a difference of 1 in the government's favour there will be trouble for the SNP.

Back to the WIthdrawal Bill debate

lettuceWrap Is this what you thought last time, polls are to be taken with a pinch of salt, If Brexit is hard what would Scoxit be like, hard border, Scottish people having to head home from the rest of the U.K., Euro if EU accept you, etc