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Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2018 16:36

The last thread started about how the Withdrawal Bill was in tatters with The Rebel Forces feeling confident of staying in the Customs Union and there seemed to be a growing backlash towards the hostile environment and the need to reduce immigration.

This thread starts with the revelation this week that Farage has claimed that he never said the UK would be better off financially under Brexit, just that we would be self-governing and the Brexmeggadon Planning Revelation.

The Sunday Times has published a story about No Deal Brexit as senior civil servants have drawn up scenarios for David Davis. If you remember the minister responsible for No Deal is actually Steve Baker. That’s ERG founder Steve Baker. And if you remember he is facing queries from Brexiteers about whether he is truly committed to Brexit on the basis of his recent actions and comments.

There were reported that his plans for No Deal were stalling and proving impossible.

And today we have the Brexmeggadon ‘Project Fear’ article with three levels of jeopardy: Mild, Severe and ‘Oh my fucking God’.

Suddenly all our talk of stockpiling on Westministenders are starting to look rather prudent and enlightened. Ian Dunt’s book is looking like a Brexit Manual. David Allen Green is just standing there going ‘Well’. And George Osbourne is maniacally laughing his head off somewhere.

In the Level 2 Disaster Planning we are looking at Dover collapsing on Day One, food would run out within days and hospitals would run out of medicine within weeks. Petrol would run out within week two too.

As I’ve point out before in the worst case, the government has insufficient police and army to manage a worse case scenario.
Of course this is so explosive, its only been shared with a handful of ministers and are ‘locked in a safe’ and The Sunday Times don’t tell you what is in the ‘Bremeggadon’ scenario.

Or you could just read social media for the ‘scaremongering’.

We now have political attempts to FOI or force the publication of these reports to look forward too. The irony being that in this case the government will have a legitimate case that it would be against national security to release them. Of course they can’t actually admit that either!

Naturally Cabinet ministers and DeXeu has dismissed the article as not true. What else could they do?

Only for a ‘government source’ to claim that the denial was ‘untrue’ to Sam Coates of The Times.

Matthew Holehouse pointed out that the government can’t say for certain what impact no deal will have on medicine supply chains, because review on this isn’t due to finish its “initial” work until “late spring 2018”. Of course we are now in Summer 2018 and its still not been completed. Which obviously bodes well.

And there is talk of Chilcot style inquiries into Brexit sometime in the future. Westministenders is once again way ahead on that score…

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Meanwhile over in the Labour corner, growing pressure has been mounting on Corbyn. This week has seen the launch of a Corbyn supporting left wing pressure group, comprised of grassroots and trade unions to stop him supporting the harakiri of Tory Brexiteers.

We wait with tepid enthusiasm and sceptical levels of optimism for Corbyn’s climb down. St Jeremy knows what he wants...

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What does all this talk all mean? I think its difficult to read as much different to the media catching up with what the sane – who have a modicum of understanding of what trade deals, the custom union and the single market actually are - have been saying for sometime. Reality can’t be spun forever. At some point, you have to start preparing the public for the coming shit storm or the inevitable u-turn. This seems likely to be the move to kill off No Deal once and for all.

In terms of a ‘possible civil war’ under Brexmeggadon, its noticeable key Brexiteers are backing away from the cake. That doesn’t smack of civil unrest, that smacks of cowardice and a lack of Brexiteer leadership as no one is truly prepared to nail themselves to the mast as the ship starts to sink.

I also don’t think people will blame other people in the event of no food and no medicine and no medicine. I think people will be fairly unified in blaming those in charge who caused ‘No Deal’.
Oh and The American Trade Wars have began.

Ronald Regan ‘We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.’

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like Brexit doesn't it?

Turnips anyone?
Planting season is late June to early July.

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prettybird · 07/06/2018 13:10

.....it's actually embarrassing Blush

#notinourname

Danniz · 07/06/2018 13:12

Surely this is so close now that a definite NO from the EU side should lead to a no date backstop?
PLEASE EU, don't let us down now.

54321go · 07/06/2018 13:29

I would hope the EU negotiators are treating the UK like an unruly child. 'Sit in the corner and come back when you have something sensible to say'.

lettuceWrap · 07/06/2018 13:31

Backstop published- with date limited clause. Going to be an interesting day, politically Hmm

RedToothBrush · 07/06/2018 13:42

What type of fudge is your favourite? Whiskey? Vanilla? Brexit?

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
If this is victory for DD, I’d hate to see defeat. “Should” (not must). “Until” (who decides). “Expects” not will

DD looks like he’s accepted a carefully worded fudge to me

This is meant to be the basis of legally binding text. There is nothing judiciable about aspiration...

Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.
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user1486062886 · 07/06/2018 13:50

Danniz do you live in this country? Why the big love in with the EU? What do you mean please EU don't lets down,? Do you really what to be in a position were leave with a no deal situation,

RedToothBrush · 07/06/2018 13:52

The Columnist @Sime0nStylites
In the space of 30 min the prevailing narrative has switched from DD won to DD lost.

David Allen Green @davidallengreen
Because instead of a copy-and-paste text of spin sent to journalists, we got the actual text of the official document.

Brexiteers have become like the Iraq War's Comical Ali.

David Allen Green @davidallengreen
A mini-drama in four parts
1. A "DD source" (ahem) texts journalists saying he has won, and text has been changed.
2. Excitement that there is a date! A date!
3. Actual official text then published.
4. Amended text and date is legally ineffective, and binds nobody to nothing.

However...

Beth Rigby @BethRigby
DD will know that this is not acceptable to EU either. But the point is that not having some sort of time limit (however couched) was a red line that couldn’t be crossed

sigh

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Icantreachthepretzels · 07/06/2018 13:54

There is a headline from sky news (which has always been relatively sensible brexit wise) which reads 'brexit puts price cap on EU calls and texts at risk.' Apparently sky news has 'learned' that the UK may miss out on the cap on costs of calls and texts between EU countries once we leave... Hmm Confused Hmm
How the hell is that 'news' and not just 'duh!'
The level of fuckwittery in all this never fails to astound me.

Meanwhile the express headline is 'brexit shambles explodes' Grin why, yes DE, Brexit is and always has been an utter shambles - but you're not meant to call it that. (in fairness, I think they're talking about the current backstop issues we're enjoying - but they're just not very careful with their phrasing.)

missmoon · 07/06/2018 13:56

The text is utterly ridiculous, a customs union is not enough to avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland, and the idea of a “time-limited backstop” makes no sense whatsoever. The Tory party are squabbling while the future of the country is at stake. And not a word from Labour either...

missmoon · 07/06/2018 13:57

Also, I don’t understand how there can be a customs arrangement similar to the current one, while we simultaneously negotiate new trade deals? Are they only meant to come into effect after the “time-limited backstop”? What incentive is there for the EU to negotiate anything else?

54321go · 07/06/2018 14:08

Fudge normally has more substance to it than that.

54321go · 07/06/2018 14:11

Do you think we should dust the deckchairs on the Titanic before rearranging them or should we watch that iceberg?

RedToothBrush · 07/06/2018 14:36

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Get your head round this:

1. The ERG are heaping praise on DD “win”
2. Brexit gvt sources meanwhile rubbishing DD “win”

Conclusion: ERG are going soft and taken for fools say other brexiteers?

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RedToothBrush · 07/06/2018 14:37

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
BREXITEERS AT WAR: A senior brexit-supporting gvt source:

"DD claims of victory are simply delusional. He has once again been outmanoeuvred and outwitted by Robbins and his officials. Even Barnier is now expressing sympathy for him. It's beyond a joke now."

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DGRossetti · 07/06/2018 14:47

BREXITEERS AT WAR

Oh my aching sides. Disciples of a party that rules by divide and conquer outmaneuvered by ... divide and conquer. (Which was only possible if, instead of really believing in Brexit, they were really just believing in self-interest).

DGRossetti · 07/06/2018 14:55

Anyone else catch the not-that-surprising-news that the Donald knows fuck all about history ?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44394156

Canadians have reacted with dismay to reports US President Donald Trump questioned whether Canada burned down the White House during a call with the country's leader, Justin Trudeau.

British forces did set fire to the presidential residence during the War of 1812 with the US.

But Canada did not exist at the time - it was made up of British colonies.

(contd).

Hasenstein · 07/06/2018 14:56

Time-limited, but will stay in place until something else is agreed.
This something else is "expected" to be agreed and implemented, but not guaranteed. All just semantics to avoid a clash.
May wins. Davis wins. Yaa boo.
Barnier and Irish Foreign Minister just shrug and ask for more explicit commitments.
To mix a metaphor, this is just more kicking the fudge down the road. Can't go on for ever, though, at some point the road ends.

DGRossetti · 07/06/2018 15:03

To mix a metaphor, this is just more kicking the fudge down the road. Can't go on for ever, though, at some point the road ends.

The road will end with some sort of BINO, and the Brexiteers neutralised, as their internecine nature emerges. Maybe history will portray it as inevitable that Leave would ultimately be frustrated because no one knew what it meant.

Thank goodness we chose a time when everything in the UK was perfect, and we had money to splash on 2 years wasted effort, plus the untold losses from businesses fleeing the UK. Otherwise it might have been a disaster. The only silver lining is it's got the Tories sticky fingerprints all over it, and subsequent electorates might be persuaded to remember this, if a credible opposition party were to emerge.

DarlingNikita · 07/06/2018 15:06

this is just more kicking the fudge down the road

Grin Sounds messy. Appropriately.

RedToothBrush · 07/06/2018 15:09

DGRossetti, its ironic isn't it?

But are you really that surprised? Its always been the case that Brexiteers fell into numerous camps when there was no single vision for Brexit. It was always the case that these multiple different personal visions of Brexit would leave more disappointed than happy.

Ironically at this point, remainers and soft leavers are much more united in simply believing in damage limitation.

And Ironically at this point, the PM's position is, and has to be, damage limitation based on practical options available due to Brexit by time table.

Where May is, has nothing to do with choice and her own ideology. Not that Brexiteers will acknowledge that.

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Hasenstein · 07/06/2018 15:13

Kicking fudge looks very much like stepping in dog shit. Very appropriate!

DGRossetti · 07/06/2018 15:17

I wonder what bookmakers need to payout on whether Brexit has happened or not ?

Hasenstein · 07/06/2018 15:18

remainers and soft leavers are much more united in simply believing in damage limitation.

Very true, but how bloody annoying that we're reduced to damage limitation at huge cost. Even the ardent Brexiteers now say it "won't be too bad" - a huge climb-down from sunlit uplands - so even they are, perhaps subconsciously, just talking about mitigating the damage they've caused.

DGRossetti · 07/06/2018 15:21

Regardless of what happens, it's hard to see the UK being taken seriously on the world stage every again.

And if I were forced to spend money in the UK, I'd want a damn watertight contract to protect me in case the UK messes me around.

Again.

TheElementsSong · 07/06/2018 15:25

Brexiteers fell into numerous camps when there was no single vision for Brexit.

There is a single version of sorts - something along the lines of "Wait and see, whatever thing currently under discussion will probably be 'fine' (and if it isn't 'fine' then that will be the fault of the EU/Remoaners and definitely not our fault)" Hmm

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