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Westministenders: Stalling for Time

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RedToothBrush · 12/05/2018 14:32

After 14 defeats, the Withdrawal Bill exited the Lords. In much worse condition than anyone dared to predicted.

Now we have those who were viciously against Lords reform, all of a sudden shouting about how much we desperately need it. Well fancy that. Tradition isn't so attractive if you aren't getting your own way.

Daniel Hannan has suddenly admitted that Brexit is not 'going to plan' (there was one?) and Johnson is still his weekly resignation threat.

It now throws things back into Corbyn's court. The Tory Rebel Forces think that they have the numbers to stay in the Single Market, but are blocked by Corbyn's opposition to it.

The decision on the customs union has effectively been pushed back to the Autumn by May, but we have to make a decision about the Irish border by June or trade talks won't go ahead as planned.

The trouble is that the Cabinet can not decide on which option they want to take, but neither is particularly viable anyway. Max Fac means a border in the Irish Sea which the DUP won't like and the Customs Partnership isn't acceptable to the Empire Tories. In any case it seems unlikely that either option could get through the Commons in their current form due to the growing number of Tory Rebel Forces.

May also has a problem with the grass roots. It is more or less impossible for her to deliver the Brexit they desire whatever she tries.

The growing backlash about the hostile environment also undermines the point of Brexit in reducing immigration. Its is growing apparent, WHY we need immigration and that the people who are being targeted for deportation are simply the easiest to pick off and not the ones that people see as 'a problem'. Indeed you have to wonder about how many immigrants ARE a problem. The idea to control immigration after Brexit was not through the border but through the hostile environment, yet this seems now to be something that will be impossible to continue with politically.

Leave.EU have now been referred to the police for breaking Electoral Law. It also turns out that they found numerous ways to beat the spending limit legally. The female data controller has also been found to have data protection law. Meanwhile Banks and Wigmore as well as Nix (CA and SCL), Cummings (Vote Leave) and Silvester (AIQ) have all been summoned to appear because the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee. Zuckerberg also does not appear to have completed his answers to the committee as Facebook have had their homework deadline extended to Monday (and has been asked to appear by the 24th May whilst he is in Europe).

Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee Dates
Electoral Commission - Tuesday 15th May
Silvester - Wednesday 16th May
Cummings / Nix - Summoned to appear Tuesday 22nd May
Banks / Wigmore - Tuesday 16th June

Also in parliament in next weeks is and interesting looking ten minute rule bill named 'Representation of the People (Gibraltar)' - Tuesday 15th May

Anyway, we are all set for the predictable 'who blinks first' brinkmanship with the UK aware that if the EU don't blink we go over the cliff and parliament aware that if May delays long enough she bypasses parliamentary democracy or put it in a position with a gun to its head.

Who is looking forward to this year's 'row of the summer'?
It could be a long, hot summer.

Anyway, I want France to win Eurovision and the UK to get some points and not come last. Its not going to happen is it?

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Icantreachthepretzels · 14/05/2018 13:26

Are they taking the piss?

Maybe brexit has simply become a piece of satirical performance art? Next step - Bojo and Gove will perform a piece of interpretative dance to solve the problem with the NI border.

TomRavenscroft · 14/05/2018 13:37

Icant, well, nothing else is possible/acceptable, so they might as well do it via the medium of interpretative dance…

DGRossetti · 14/05/2018 13:44

they might as well do it via the medium of interpretative dance…

or mime ... the incredible Alternative Car Park showing us how it should be done ....

MimpiDreams · 14/05/2018 13:47

Yep, the border is now sorted.

Icantreachthepretzels · 14/05/2018 14:38

Next up, JRM and his nanny will use shadow puppets to create the technology need for max fac. Liam Fox will tell dirty Limericks as a way of explaining to Johnny Foreigner the benefits of trading with Brexit britain. Sajid Javid will pull a bunny out of a hat to reassure everyone caught up in the hostile environment and Penny Mordaunt will sing an aria that will explain perfectly why British women losing their EU citizens rights to paid maternity leave is a good thing

In other news... Boris Johnson can't even follow the instructions in the hokey cokey? That just says it all really doesn't it?

DGRossetti · 14/05/2018 14:42

Boris Johnson can't even follow the instructions in the hokey cokey?

I suspect they'd have to be in Latin ... now is it motion towards, or away Hmm

DGRossetti · 14/05/2018 14:46

Liam Fox will tell dirty Limericks as a way of explaining to Johnny Foreigner the benefits of trading with Brexit britain.

The beauty of that is that it would benefit immeasurably by the lack of any involvement from Fox ...

There once was a pretty rich land
That decided it was getting out of hand
With the will of the people,
treated as sheeple
It soon ended up being canned

(It would probably sound better in French, But then almost anything Brexiteers say makes more sense in a foreign language).

DGRossetti · 14/05/2018 15:30

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RedToothBrush · 14/05/2018 15:36

Faisal Islam @faislamislam
So all Tory MPs (not just ERG) are getting a Downing St briefing on the customs options at Number 9, introduced by PM, conducted by her CoS Barwell presenting technically and “impartially” both options which “won’t work in current form”
Not now expecting the Cabinet customs dilemma to be solved at subcommittee tomorrow “no white smoke” - the 2 sub(subcommittees) won’t have reported back on the NCP and max fac by tomorrow...

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Mariele · 14/05/2018 15:43

DG brilliant 😂😂😂

DGRossetti · 14/05/2018 15:44

Seems the Chinese have us rumbled ...

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Buteo · 14/05/2018 16:51

On another note - these YouGov survey results popped up for me today:

Which of the following comes closest to your view on how well Brexit is going?

I expected Brexit to go well and I think it is going well so far 9%

I expected Brexit to go well but I don’t think it is going well so far 28%

I expected Brexit to go badly but I think it is going well so far 5%

I expected Brexit to go badly and I think it is going badly so far 39%

Don't know 19%

So 14% think Brexit is going well, 67% think Brexit is going badly, and 19% don’t know.

Well.

DGRossetti · 14/05/2018 16:58

That was part of the survey I did ...

Motheroffourdragons · 14/05/2018 17:38

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Icantreachthepretzels · 14/05/2018 17:55

Well you all know that age old saying - no news is ... no news
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-talks-latest-no-progress-negotiations-eu-uk-european-union-theresa-may-a8351411.html

RedToothBrush · 14/05/2018 20:24

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/leveson-inquiry-latest-government-defeated-house-of-lords-press-behaviour-a8351631.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Leveson 2: Peers defeat government by backing resurrection of inquiry into press behaviour
Outcome puts Lords on course for a constitutional clash with Commons

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HesterThrale · 14/05/2018 20:58

David Miliband saying Corbyn risks being 'the midwife of Hard Brexit', and in the Guardian there are 3 suggestions as to why he might be doing this. (Democracy, immigration, hostility to single market rules.)

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/14/jeremy-corbyn-wants-hard-brexit-labour

But May is weak and vacillating:

May should now slam her fist on the cabinet table and say yes to Miliband, Clegg and Morgan. She should say yes to the 14 Lords amendments to the Brexit bill now returning to the Commons. She should say yes to a clear majority of her cabinet and all MPs. She should say yes to public opinion. The EEA is the one sensible and consensual compromise through this mess. Against it stands the apparently insuperable obstacle of the prime minister’s lack of guts. She is in awe of a group of diehards in her cabinet and on her backbenches.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/14/david-miliband-theresa-may-brexit-tory-european-economic-area

BigChocFrenzy · 14/05/2018 21:22

Brexiters are running away from the consequences of what they have inflicted on Britain

http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.de/2018/05/brexiters-are-running-away-from.html

During the Referendum, Brexiters offered a political message which took a traditional and familiar form:
if you vote for us then various (supposedly) good consequences will follow.

It is easy to imagine what they would be saying now if any of these were evident;
if companies were announcing new investments because of (not despite) Brexit;
if foreign direct investment were booming in anticipation of Brexit, rather than tanking;
if countries, especially Commonwealth countries, were champing at the bit to make new trade deals with Britain;
if ‘German car companies’ had ‘within minutes of the vote’ to leave demanded a fantastic ‘cake and eat it’ deal
and if the EU had rolled over to give it; if the Irish border was unaffected, as Brexiters had claimed it would be;

or, even, if the negotiations were proceeding as smoothly and easily as they had promised.

But of course none of those things has happened
and so, since winning the Referendum, the Brexiters’ message has changed in a very fundamental way.

The new message takes several forms but each has the same dialectical structure: to decouple the vote to leave the EU from the consequences of leaving the EU

BigChocFrenzy · 14/05/2018 21:27

LinkedIn Workforce Report | United Kingdom | April 2018

economicgraph.linkedin.com/resources/linkedin-workforce-report-uk-april-2018

Last month we identified that the UK had become a net loser of international talent for the first time since the report began.
This month we’ve performed a deeper analysis of migration trends since the referendum

The UK is now losing talent to the 27 other EU member states (EU27).

Fewer professionals from the rest of the world are moving to the UK.

London’s access to talent is declining as the capital is now losing talent to other countries.

Healthcare is the sector most affected by Brexit

SwedishEdith · 14/05/2018 21:31

Rob Ford has done some interesting work on attitudes to immigration. He suggests that people are becoming more positive about it, not less. However, as some have pointed out on his Twitter page, some people may feel that the Leave vote has "resolved" the immigration issue i.e. it's being dealt with (even though nothing has actually changed, of course). Thought it was interesting.

medium.com/@robfordmancs/how-have-attitudes-to-immigration-changed-since-brexit-e37881f55530

woman11017 · 14/05/2018 21:31

to decouple the vote to leave the EU from the consequences of leaving the EU Confused
Smile HOL on Leveson. The press made much of this mess.

mathanxiety · 14/05/2018 21:49

SwedishEdith the 'Little' part of DUP MP Emma Little-Pengelly's double barreled name comes from her father Noel Little, Loyalist paramilitary gunrunner wannabe, and the 'Pengelly' part is from her H, a leading NI civil servant.

woman11017 · 14/05/2018 21:50

www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/05/14/its-hard-to-see-how-insulting-a-key-segment-of-the-elecorate-is-going-to-help-the-lab-cause-but-hey-they-dont-seem-to-care/
Porcine imagery for a certain type of man coined by Charles Dickens, apparently.
www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/05/turns-out-charles-dickens-invented-concept-gammon-1838

Nice to see D Milliband back, Hester. He managed to charm through a spiky Kathy Newman interview on Channel 4 news. Strangely she seemed to repeat John Humphrey's question to the effect of 'why is brexit any of your business.' Hmm
He certainly still worries many.

woman11017 · 14/05/2018 21:58

@cliodiaspora
Want to know what it's like to be a female anti-Brexit campaigner who happens to be an EU citizen and dares to open her mouth to speak at #WomenAgainstBrexit? It's like this ⬇️ (transcribed as received) 1/

twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/996128114416734210

I won't reproduce the comments but they are on that link.

We talked during the rally < and in the pub afterwards> with Professor Bueltmann and othe female campaigners about the level of attacks and police involvement to protect her and other campaigners. She is, of course lovely.

It's rough out there. They are very brave.