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Westministenders: Stalling for Time

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RedToothBrush · 12/05/2018 14:32

After 14 defeats, the Withdrawal Bill exited the Lords. In much worse condition than anyone dared to predicted.

Now we have those who were viciously against Lords reform, all of a sudden shouting about how much we desperately need it. Well fancy that. Tradition isn't so attractive if you aren't getting your own way.

Daniel Hannan has suddenly admitted that Brexit is not 'going to plan' (there was one?) and Johnson is still his weekly resignation threat.

It now throws things back into Corbyn's court. The Tory Rebel Forces think that they have the numbers to stay in the Single Market, but are blocked by Corbyn's opposition to it.

The decision on the customs union has effectively been pushed back to the Autumn by May, but we have to make a decision about the Irish border by June or trade talks won't go ahead as planned.

The trouble is that the Cabinet can not decide on which option they want to take, but neither is particularly viable anyway. Max Fac means a border in the Irish Sea which the DUP won't like and the Customs Partnership isn't acceptable to the Empire Tories. In any case it seems unlikely that either option could get through the Commons in their current form due to the growing number of Tory Rebel Forces.

May also has a problem with the grass roots. It is more or less impossible for her to deliver the Brexit they desire whatever she tries.

The growing backlash about the hostile environment also undermines the point of Brexit in reducing immigration. Its is growing apparent, WHY we need immigration and that the people who are being targeted for deportation are simply the easiest to pick off and not the ones that people see as 'a problem'. Indeed you have to wonder about how many immigrants ARE a problem. The idea to control immigration after Brexit was not through the border but through the hostile environment, yet this seems now to be something that will be impossible to continue with politically.

Leave.EU have now been referred to the police for breaking Electoral Law. It also turns out that they found numerous ways to beat the spending limit legally. The female data controller has also been found to have data protection law. Meanwhile Banks and Wigmore as well as Nix (CA and SCL), Cummings (Vote Leave) and Silvester (AIQ) have all been summoned to appear because the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee. Zuckerberg also does not appear to have completed his answers to the committee as Facebook have had their homework deadline extended to Monday (and has been asked to appear by the 24th May whilst he is in Europe).

Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee Dates
Electoral Commission - Tuesday 15th May
Silvester - Wednesday 16th May
Cummings / Nix - Summoned to appear Tuesday 22nd May
Banks / Wigmore - Tuesday 16th June

Also in parliament in next weeks is and interesting looking ten minute rule bill named 'Representation of the People (Gibraltar)' - Tuesday 15th May

Anyway, we are all set for the predictable 'who blinks first' brinkmanship with the UK aware that if the EU don't blink we go over the cliff and parliament aware that if May delays long enough she bypasses parliamentary democracy or put it in a position with a gun to its head.

Who is looking forward to this year's 'row of the summer'?
It could be a long, hot summer.

Anyway, I want France to win Eurovision and the UK to get some points and not come last. Its not going to happen is it?

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DGRossetti · 02/06/2018 16:47

I think the point about a 2nd referendum probably still returning the same result is connected to the feelings (discussed on this thread, I believe ?) that a general election held now would probably not radically change the situation - we'd end up with no clear majority.

SwedishEdith · 02/06/2018 18:41

There's a petition to block Nigel Lawson's application for French residency. I don't agree with it but this has made me laugh.

Helen #FBPE@brightsider123

😍a French person has signed the petition that Nigel Lawson not be allowed his French residency, stating
1/2

This applicant must be refused a residence permit in France for reasons of public safety (EU Directive 2004/38 / EC, 29 April 2004, paragraph 22). The plaintiff has caused enormous damage to the security of his own Country & should not be allowed to do so in France..." 2/2 😂👏👏

BigChocFrenzy · 02/06/2018 19:33

Well, a country is entitled to exclude undesirables and Lawson certainly fits that bill

woman11017 · 02/06/2018 20:52

Looks familiar, the anti Lawson campaign. It is all an undoing, which is what was paid good money for. Bargain.

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SwedishEdith · 02/06/2018 22:05

twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1003014784130912257

Tomorrow's Sunday Times reporting on the Doomesday no-deal scenario.

Cherrypi · 02/06/2018 22:14

Is the right wing media changing it's tune?

woman11017 · 02/06/2018 22:32

Nope cherripi
cherripi fascism has won.

SwedishEdith · 02/06/2018 22:36

It is interesting it's the Sunday Times (pro-Leave). Walked past the FT offices the other day and saw they have an FT and an EU flag flying.

Cherrypi · 02/06/2018 22:48

Apart from this excellent thread where else is everyone getting their brexit news from? I'm really enjoying brexitcast podcast and the carry on brussels channel 4 show was interesting.

SwedishEdith · 03/06/2018 00:37

Twitter for me. Follow lots of journalists (from all papers/channels) and economists etc. I don't follow JHB attention seeker types.

Mistigri · 03/06/2018 06:10

I use twitter to keep up, because it's quick and my time is at a premium right now.

I think it is questionable whether Lawson is ordinarily resident in France and I'm not the only one to wonder about this. You can't be resident in two member states.

Wouldn't entirely surprise me if he got a "non", it probably depends which party is in charge of the département (decisions are taken at prefecture level in France) and whether he's got lawyers submitting the application for him.

Peregrina · 03/06/2018 06:44

Its interesting that some of the twitter commentators are still saying it's Project Fear. Well, for the wealthy, it probably is, they will be inconvenienced by food shortages - they won't be the ones queuing for hours.

mrsreynolds · 03/06/2018 08:23

God
Some of those comments are 😮
This reminds me why I left Twitter!...

Hasenstein · 03/06/2018 09:25

MrsR

"Some of those comments are 😮
This reminds me why I left Twitter!..."

And makes me thankful I've never dabbled in it. The level of blind anger on that thread makes me fear that even a 2nd Referendum won't change the minds of ardent Leavers.

Will anything? I almost wish for a cathartic disaster to open people's eyes, but unfortunately we'll all suffer, not just the loony Brexiteers. The top echelon will no doubt profit from scooping up distressed assets, but the rank and file also need to eat, drive, fly etc.

Motheroffourdragons · 03/06/2018 09:33

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2018 11:01

Revealed: plans for Doomsday Brexit

No need for self-fulfilling prophecy, just a no-deal or a minimum WTO Withdrawal Agreement.

If DD continues to rely on a 59th minute deal on 29 March 2019, then he deserves to be tried for the criminal offence of "misconduct in public office"
and May too, if she either hasn't learned of this, or is another reckless gambler

If rationing is to come, one sign will be the super-wealthy getting the heads-up to leave, to avoid the civil breakdown.
The other is certain politicians leaving to avoid being lynched

  • of course, prominant Remain pols might flee too, as the blame for at least the first few weeks may fall on "enemies of the people"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/revealed-plans-for-doomsday-no-deal-brexit-02mld2jg2

Britain would be hit with shortages of medicine, fuel and food within a fortnight if the UK tries to leave the European Union without a deal,
according to a Doomsday Brexit scenario drawn up by senior civil servants for David Davis.

Whitehall has begun contingency planning for the port of Dover to collapse “on day one” if Britain crashes out of the EU, leading to critical shortages of supplies.

Last month officials in Davis’s Brexit department and the departments of health and transport drew up scenarios for a no-deal Brexit — a mild one, a severe one and one dubbed “Armageddon”

A source said: “In the second scenario, not even the worst, the port of Dover will collapse on day one.

DGRossetti · 03/06/2018 11:17

But of course even if the government were honest, it would simply be re-dubbed "project fear" by the JRM contingent.

At the risk of triggering a Godwin award, it's not like the Nazis appeared in 1939, or 1936 - or even 1932 - in a vacuum. There were repeated warnings from experts (like Churchill). It took WW2 to convince the naysayers. Looks like it's the same with Brexit.

KennDodd · 03/06/2018 11:40

DGRossetti

I agree. The only problem is that they'll continue to blame everybody else. The right wing press will be pointing the finger at foreigners and the EU I think it'll be decades before people see Brexit and the hate mongering press for what it is.

mrsreynolds · 03/06/2018 12:09

I've already started stockpiling meds my family needs (all have chronic health issues)

I will start stockpiling food at some point

No idea what else I can do tbh

It's going to be bad

Really bad

I can't shift the feeling I have had for a while lately that we are all fiddling whilst Rome burns....

HesterThrale · 03/06/2018 12:15

cherrypi a good source of Brexit news is The New European. It's good value to subscribe (and has very few adverts), but you can also follow on Facebook.
This week's edition is completely by and about women.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/home

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/ken-clarke-i-d-have-sacked-boris-johnson-exclusive-interview-1-5532777

SwedishEdith · 03/06/2018 12:33

Remember, a lot of those Twitter comments are orchestrated astroturfing. To give the impression of bigger support for extreme ideas. It's on here a lot atm.

Mike Hind is good to follow on this stuff.

twitter.com/MikeH_PR/status/1003167949644091392

mrsreynolds · 03/06/2018 12:52

Bloody hope so Edith

MimpiDreams · 03/06/2018 13:17

I'm beginning to genuinely fear this could descend into civil war.