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Since BrexitArmsLandlady says she isn't starting anymore threads here's a place to discuss Brexit developments for those that still want to.

It never ceases to amaze me what a shambles this is.

The cabinet still can't even agree what we want, let alone what we're going to get.

That was always a given frumpety

This whole thing has been set up so Leavers can blame the EU.

By saying staying in CU is the 'backstop' the government will argue it's not what they are planning on happening.

The fact they have absolutely no workable plans which make any other solution possible will be ignored.

Then it will be the mean EUs fault for forcing us to stay against our wishes.

The sad thing is, a lot of a Leavers will fall for it.

Or the EU for making it all so bloody difficult

Which is admitting that the Leavers simply weren't up to the task.

They might try and peddle that for a bit. But if you simply rebut it every time pointing out by Leaves own publicity that we had the best possible team on the job, you won't hear that one too much.

After all, it's hardly a campaign booster is it ? "Vote Tory: The party that couldn't manage Brexit".

I hope people are screenshotting all those quotes about how easy Brexit would be, and all over by Christmas ....

We lost our manufacturing industry due to other members making it cheaper, Our farming, we got paid to do nothing while other nations were paid to use farming as a profitable to them loss leader, Our seas and fish loaned out for others to rape

What utter clap-trap!
We lost our manufacturing industry because we decided not to invest in them, we werent even in the EEC when our M/c industry, once a world leader, was still producing WW2 models in the 60's. latterly, UK gov decided on service industries, ditching industry in favour of the 'city.
"our" fish??? eh? fish dont respect nationality! and we negotiated away our fishing industry, other countries stood up to us and protected theirs.

There is plenty wrong with the EU and we could have stayed and fought for change, now we will truly become a supplicant country, so i hope you are happy with what you ve done.
You sound a typical brexiter who will blame anyone rather than their own government for UK failings.

@frumpety

I think you misunderstand the EU. It's not being difficult or easy.

It's following rules which the UK helped establish.

As the UK and other EU countries did not want to allow the EU discretion in its decision making it falls back on its rules. This is how sovereignty is maintained. It also happens to be the only way for the EU to get stuff done and through the veto rights of all EU28 and regional parliaments.

As such I think it's accurate to consider the EU as an international treaty organisation which applies the rules established by its members. It's not mean. It doesn't think. It's there to serve its members.

sacrebleu, frumpetys comment was sarcastic.

Thanks for clarifying. That now makes more sense.

Sacrebleu

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/accuracy-is-for-snake-oil-pussies-vote-leaves-campaign-director-defies-mps

Now this is pure Python , and would be absolutely hilarious , except I am genuinely concerned for the man's state of mind.

frumpety that article is from before the referendum

Ah so it is Bear , so it is , that'll learn me to cut and paste without first checking won't it !

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/17/vote-leave-strategist-dominic-cummings-refuses-to-appear-before-mps

This is much more up to date I think , same bloke , same veneer of contempt

Here's a good article to warm the cockles of the Quitling's hearts...

Or to put it another way, as former Greek finance minister Yanis Varoufakis told GQ's Jonathan Heaf: “Brexit is like watching a train crash in slow motion.”

Greece gets the delectable Yanis as their Eurosceptic and we get the three amigos

Hope everyone had a lovely weekend ?

And the Governor of the Bank of England thinks that every household is already £900 a year worse off...

But the UK is doing so well.

And now today - hey, look - the NHS is going to need more money to the tune of £2K per household per year in order to prop up the increasing health needs of our ever-increasing proportion of elderly Britons:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44230033

So what are we doing? Loudly promising to cut off the flow of working age EU immigrants (see the entire Leave campaign), refusing work visas for non-EU workers www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43898969, persecuting settled legal immigrants for not meeting newly created paperwork requirements (not just Windrush, but they are the obvious example), and generally making it clear that modern Britain is flailing around trying to blame everyone and anyone but its own leadership for its shortcomings.

Oh, and the "max-fac" customs plan that Rees-Mogg and his ERG friends are insisting on will cost us 20 billion a year to run, which makes our EU contributions look like peanuts.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44229606

I am so tired of the rah-rah Brexit narrative. It is really time for the hot air to end and the hard number-crunching to turn up some real, workable options. And if there aren't any, it's long past time to be bloody honest about it.

My local health centre has a notice outside saying specified pharmacies will always keep in stock specific palliative care drugs to ease the experience of those who choose to die at home. It makes sense in terms both of NHS costs and patient's experience, but still rather startling somehow.

And now today - hey, look - the NHS is going to need more money to the tune of £2K per household per year in order to prop up the increasing health needs of our ever-increasing proportion of elderly rich Britons:

If you're poor, you can die.

I was talking to some people yesterday - there was a view that we could expect the government to start to encourage euthanasia of the elderly at some point, to save money.

I was talking to some people yesterday - there was a view that we could expect the government to start to encourage euthanasia of the elderly at some point, to save money.

Or a couple of cold winters.

It's only now, the horrible realisation of why The Lotus Eaters was on the O-Level Eng. Lit syllabus dawns... clearly an attempt to prepare us for the 21st century.

Bodoni not sure why they need a notice up ? possibly due to complaints previously where patients families have had to try and get the drugs and have had to travel to different pharmacies simply to get one prescription for the main 4 items used in EOL care. Which if your relative is dying and experiencing symptoms adds to the stress and distress of the experience.

Sorry Bodoni didn't fully grasp your post , do you mean there is a notice with the pharmacies listed ? that makes sense . People in the UK are offered 3 places to die , hospital , home or hospice, it should be patient choice, unfortunately hospice isn't always available and sometimes families are physically or emotionally unable to cope with nursing their dying relative at home for 22 hours a day , you can get up to 4 care visits of approx. half an hour a day and some overnight assistance a few times a week , but generally it is really down to the relatives to provide the majority of care, something I think isn't always explained as well as it can be when offering people the choice.
Sorry for the essay !

Sorry there is another option , that of a nursing home placement, again can be dependent on availability of a room and which places accept the funding.