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Ever closer to Brexit! 🥂 🍻 🍾

Remainers are welcome, as ever.

But!

If you just want to abuse Brexiteers, then start your own thread.

This is a pub thread, not an interrogate-a-Brexiteer thread

We have more in common etc, even if Brexit divides us.

So Hey you have qualified the 'at any price' to 'at almost any price'. What would be the difference for you. What 'price' would not be worth it?

It's supremely arrogant, deeply unpatriotic and downright moronic to subject the British people to this when there are no good outcomes predicted even by this rabidly pro Brexshit government

And I had understood that 'money' was very much the reason (one of) put forward by the leave campaign - the aim was to stop paying money to the EU.

Did I misunderstand?

Jwim

The not worth it price is the current labour leadership winning the first post Brexit general election.

Then and only then will I regret what that bunch of fools would do with the new national policy freedoms you and others profess we never lost.

When you leave a club you are no longer required to pay a membership fee.
It does not mean that you can't sell things or buy things from the club....
However you have to pay the going rate not the club rate...
If you have shares in the club it is not wrong to want the value of the shares back..
Also if you own a field the club used for events then the club would lose the right to use the field...
If you sold items to someone outside the club they would stil be able to buy from you ... and they could sell you their items....
But it does take time to build your trade back up...

Assuming that those you might want to trade with wouldn't rather trade with the club first, like India and China have made very clear this week.

Even the Japanese have said the UK is the gateway to the EU. Without it, we aren't much use to them.

What is the point? We already trade with the rest of the world, enjoy great leverage as members of the club.

The USA will throw us a bone. On their terms.

It's looking pretty shit.

Indeed Mummy it will take time to build up lost trade. How much time though?

But Hey if that election outcome happened (a) 'will of the people' and (b) own the possibility - vote leave/risk a Corbynite Labour Gov't.

But if you have goods people want that are profitable for them. Then they Will trade with you.
Also you can't tell me they won't want to sell their own goods to you...
You must have left a club before because you didn't like it...

How big is the EU market versus the U.K. market? I think you'll find the EU market is a lot larger and therefore a lot more attractive to ROW.

What do we have specifically that China/India/USA want that the EU can't supply, apart from shortcake, jam and whisky?

We were doing well. 5th largest economy. No more.

All for nothing. For some dumb fantasy about sovereignty which we never lost, border control which we always had.

It's embarrassing.

But we already trade worldwide. Where are the additional profitable trading opportunities that will balance against the additional costs of trading with the EU once we no longer benefit from being in the SM/CU? We will still trade with the EU it will just not be as profitable.

And we could already trade our goods to ROW.

Nothing about Brexshit makes that more favourable.

"But if you have goods people want that are profitable for them. Then they Will trade with you."

But we trade an awful lot of services. we currently have an arrangement that allows us to do this, but we may well not have that after Brexit.

If the banking sector think it can survive then why should I believe what you say when your not involved in the sector

If the banking sector think it can survive

What happened to flourish?

Yes. We've gone from the glittering sunny uplands to anticipated hardship and struggle. For nothing.

Ah well. Brexshitters can clear up the mess. It's all theirs. I hope they choke on it.

All those millionaires avoiding the EU tax avoidance directive next year. Smashing.

I love that Brexiteers are now trying to channel (pardon expression ) the Dunkirk Spirit for this shit heading our way.

Your fairytales really amuse me...
You do know your being laughed at ...
Your desperation to spin things could get you a job with new Labour....

No Mummy, the whole world is laughing at the UK, thanks to the quitlings.

And you have zero knowledge of what sectors I'm involved in.

Mummy I know you are laughing at me.

Not sure what fairytale I have told. I said we trade worldwide already - true? I said trade would be reduced with the EU and you said we would take time (possibly 10 years) to recover the UK economy, although you did not offer an explanation on how we would recover the UK economy - true?

I have not spun anything.

Off out for a bit so a summary of today's Brexit positivity seems to be:

• the UK economy will suffer but we might recover - how and timeframe uncertain;
• no price is too much to pay to leave, except possibly the exercise of our right to vote in a General Election where the result is a Corbynite Govt.

Please add any other Brexit positives from today.

I know 100% your not the governor at the bank of England... and he thinks we .can survive.. So he will do for me.....
The whole world...laughing.... my you do like to spread it a bit thick Cardinalsin.....

We can . . . survive.

Wow! So much for the sunlit uplands.

I have never denied that we would survive. Why you think surviving is better than thriving is a mystery, however.

What does surviving look like? We were the 5th largest economy, now 6th. What does 'survive' look like?

What about the fairytale of all leavers thinking it won't cost to leave.....
I did this for my children and grandchildren.....I took the only chance ever too leave a club

Brexit positives? Well it sounds as if mummmy would be happy for developers to destroy newt habitats with impunity after Brexit.

But ...

We are now awaiting the findings of the Red Tape Initiative. Letwin and his colleagues scoured the length and breadth of the UK looking for home builders and other British businesses who could identify any European regulation that could be easily removed, that would help their bottom line. They asked for specific examples and evidence of where the environmental regulations had increased costs. But, according to sources close to the process, they failed to find anything of significance.

It now seems certain that the RTI will not be recommending any change to the birds and habitats directives and will instead call for them to be included - and indeed strengthened - as they pass into UK law through the Withdrawal Bill. Indeed, senior staff have intimated that the think tank will lobby government to get the June 2016 memorandum of understanding signed. Brexit has caused a massive waste of time, and that delay should now come to an end.

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/brendan-montague/building-firms-can-live-with-newts-but-pro-brexit-hedge-funders-cant

Jwim

Surviving outside the eu is preferable to thriving within it.

As I say most rabid remainers are middle class and obsessed with money.

By the way - ‘brexshitters’? What a patronising comment.

Luckily the future belongs to the leavers. Hard luck.