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Westminstenders: Why didn't you whistle whilst you worked?

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RedToothBrush · 26/03/2018 18:33

After over a year in the public dominion, SUDDENLY the mainstream media have picked up the story on breeches by the Leave campaigns over election rules. This comes off the back of the Cambridge Analytic scandal with Facebook data having been stolen and their offices (finally) being raided.

This has now led to the involvement of solicitors Bindmans (who were involved with the Gina Miller case and are associated with prominent Remain Jolyon Maugam) and have released a 53 page document they say is evidence of collaboration between Vote Leave and BeLeave campaigns. They state effectively that there is no 'smoking gun' rather a 'drip drip drip' effect of cumulative information (as Sam Coates succinctly sums up).

What difference does this make?

Both the Electoral Commission and the ICO have very little power and in law there doesn't appear to technically be any recourse. This needs to be addressed now as an extreme priority.

The prospect of another referendum being run in such circumstances, is alarming. Without an inquiry into what went wrong, how could you prevent any of this from happening again? There would also be feelings of some kind of establishment stitch-up to reverse the referendum, which could have major implications for trust in democracy in its own right.

There seems to be no easy answer here. And Brexit increasingly looks to be the turkey that was feared, though not exactly in the way the deeply flawed remain campaign made out.

Noises from the disgruntled Vote Leave director Dominic Cummings read like almost a threat to go after the EHCR which is just as poorly understood as the EU. And there is every reason to believe that Lexiter types would also be supportive if that meant they could take property from private ownership and put into state ownership without having to properly compensate.

Worth noting is that Cummings originally deleted his twitter account when this first started to surface. A least one of the whistleblowers was and still is a committed Leaver. Cummings seems rattled, but Cummings was previously on record as saying he wanted to destroy our existing establishment. He's not rattled about the damage to democracy nor I suspect even leaving the EU; he's rattled at prospect of being 'caught'. Make of that what you will.

With that in mind, shouldn't we be the mildest bit cautious about the intentions of Chris Wylie when he says we should have another referendum? Should we be cynical, rather than just accepting this as being great news and getting excited about an opportunity to reverse Brexit? Worst still our failure to be able to trust anything, in itself, is a sign of just how weak our democracy has become.

Are the efforts to dig up a story which should have been dealt with twelve months ago, going to help? Could they cause more damage and further risk our now seemingly ever fragile democracy?

I don't know. Impossible to tell. As Westministenders has said from very early on, the referendum wasn't just about leaving the EU but also a turning of backs on the concepts and principles of democracy. Only now is this really beginning to show its true ugliness to the masses. Even now, few see the real dangers here. Many are so blinded by the hatred of their political 'enemies' they turn a blind eye to their own side's zealotry and dogma.

The danger from the far right was always much more clear to see, but the danger from the far left as it grows bolder is also starting to be alarming.

If you think this is merely about leaving the EU, you are wrong. Even if we do stay in the EU after everything, we may still lose what it is to be a real functioning democracy.

Unless we promote these principles and involve all in society and give them a stake in the future; either inside or outside the EU we will be in a whole world more trouble.

And if that wasn't bad enough. Russian spies and murders plus the appointment of warmonger Bolton at the Whitehouse.

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Cailleach1 · 30/03/2018 12:31

Revealing article from Wales on Line. May's tour tightly controlled. No ordinary people to throw a spanner in the works. Pro Brexit Wales have the care and concern of Westminster as always.

When I started to ask another question about the revelation that Mrs May had intervened personally to stop the electrification of the main railway line beyond Cardiff to Swansea, it was made perfectly clear that my time really was up.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/submit-one-question-theresa-advance-14474745

Cailleach1 · 30/03/2018 12:46

This is from the comments section. Some controlled environment parading as a tour, if true. Travelling show.

Martin is wrong on a very minor but crucial point about May. At the Brackla event those were not Tories "from across South Wales" holding placards. They were bussed in from Yorkshire and should he have read other newspapers at the time there were photo montages of the same people appearing at May's events right across the UK claiming to be "locals".

woman11017 · 30/03/2018 12:50

They were bussed in
Cailleach1 it's going a bit nick timothy again?

Adonis v Caulfield: (meeting last night of pro EU constituents in Lewes)

@Andrew_Adonis
You were invited to speak alongside me last night at a meeting of 200 of your pro-European constituents in Lewes, with weeks of notice. You declined. But it’s not me you should apologise to - it’s them! It’s called ‘being a constituency MP’

@mariacaulfield
Can you apologise for this lie. I hold a monthly public meeting each month in the constituency. Last one was in East Dean and next month Plumpton, where all residents leave or remain are invited. Please withdraw your misleading lie

@carolecadwalla
How interesting. @michaelgove has leaked an email I sent him to @GuidoFawkes. Is this normal behaviour for a government minister?
order-order.com/2018/03/29/cadwalladrs-sunday-scoop-top-remainer-paid-aiq/ … via @GuidoFawkes

RedToothBrush · 30/03/2018 12:57

Sam Coates Times @ samcoatestimes
Christine Shawcroft - who stepped down on Wednesday night as Labour’s disputes panel chair - puts her case for the defence, says this is all a witch hunt against Jeremy Corbyn

This shows her lack of regard for the Jewish Community - Richard Angel, Progress

Harry Cole @ mrharrycole
Shawcroft breaks cover to declare: "This whole row is being stirred up to attack Jeremy, as we all know." Riiight. And standby for some major fireworks shortly....

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RedToothBrush · 30/03/2018 13:05

Harry Cole @ mrharrycole
This is going to go down badly. Corbyn has used his Passover message to Jez-splain about why vile antisemitism in his party, that he appears to admit he's turned a blind eye to for two years, is "sometimes harder to see it when it is closer to home."
Depends where you look, no?

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Cailleach1 · 30/03/2018 13:16

Setting the dogs on CC. Comments on that link! They saw a different Marr show to me.

Oakeshott involved with the book 'bad boys of brexit' , when on page 84 22nd October, writes about the hiring of Cambridge Analytica.

Bit Brexity isn't it? Say no evidence, when you have actually stated it yourself in a book. Link below

twitter.com/JeSuisSabotEUr/status/978402721689632768

woman11017 · 30/03/2018 13:55

Current 'Labour' incarnation of anti semitism has long history on this island.
www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-apocalyptic-passover-haggadot-tell-a-daunting-jewish-tale-1.5962350

But we can all agree that the real enemy is Dessert Humus, surely!

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Cailleach1 · 30/03/2018 14:04

Dessert Hummus? No. How would that work? Pitta with Hummus and salad. You wouldn't put chocolate in there.

Snickerdoodle and brownie batter. Is it like a dessert rice being transformed from savoury with the addition of sugar and milk?

What does it taste like and do you eat it on it's own?

RedToothBrush · 30/03/2018 14:35

Brian Krassenstein @ krassenstein
BREAKING: FBI Agents detained Ted Malloch, a key Nigel Farage ally & Trump's first pick for EU ambassador, at Boston Logan airport

They questioned him about his ties to Roger Stone & about stolen DNC/Hillary emails. They also have asked him to testify before the Special Counsel

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 15:20

Link

FBI questions Ted Malloch, Trump campaign figure and Farage ally
American once touted as possible ambassador to EU tells of being detained at Boston airport and subpoenaed by Robert Mueller’s Trump-Russia inquiry

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/30/fbi-questions-ted-malloch-trump-campaign-figure-and-farage-ally

RedToothBrush · 30/03/2018 15:30

Ted Malloch was asked specifically if he had ever visited the Ecuadorian Embassy....

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 15:34

Wikileaks not at their sharpest this morning

Yashar Ali 🐘
@yashar
Looks like Wikileaks has tweeted out a DM by accident.

  1. FWIW, the only Dave that Jordan Peterson follows is Dave Rubin.
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DGRossetti · 30/03/2018 15:40

Mr. Assanges "gagging"

Of do STFU. Assange had his wifi privileges removed after refusing to stop behaving in a manner prejudicial to Ecadors relationships with other countries (namely the UK and the US).

Bear in mind this is a man who happily shafted the people who stood bail for him - he really is a self-absorbed as you can get.

RedToothBrush · 30/03/2018 15:45

Awww diddums.

Julian's mates are upset his wifi got turned off because Ecuador suddenly said this week that they were under international pressure to pull the plug.

Why this week... and who was pushing on the pressure, which they don't appear to have done previously?

Odd isn't it. All these coincidences.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 15:48
Globetrotter100 · 30/03/2018 15:54
SusanWalker · 30/03/2018 16:00

If one of them goes down I hope they all go down like dominoes. I'd love to see them grassing each other up as they try to wriggle out of it.

Peregrina · 30/03/2018 16:08

I'd love to see them grassing each other up as they try to wriggle out of it.
Oh yes please!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 16:23

This might help

Czechs Extradite Alleged Russian Hacker Nikulin To U.S

www.rferl.org/amp/russia-us-czech-republic-accused-hacker-nikulin-extradited/29135397.html

The Czech Justice Ministry has announced that an alleged Russian hacker wanted by both Washington and Moscow has been extradited to the United States.

Yevgeny Nikulin is accused of hacking big Internet companies including LinkedIn and Dropbox in 2012 and 2013. In the United States, he faces up to 30 years in prison if convicted on charges that include computer intrusion and identity theft.

But his case became an international tug-of-war when Russia made a rival extradition request shortly after the United States put forward its request. In Russia, Nikulin is wanted for alleged involvement in an online theft of about $2,000 in 2009.

"We confirm extradition to the United States," a spokeswoman said in a text message sent to the Reuters news agency. "He has already flown out."

Justice Minister Robert Pelikan made the decision after the country's top court said it rejected a last-minute appeal from the Russian.

[...]Nikulin's lawyer said his client claimed the FBI is trying to link him to the hacking of the Democratic Party's servers during the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign.

HesterThrale · 30/03/2018 16:34

Radio 4 Feedback right now talking about whether BBC coverage of Remain marches was fair last week.

Cailleach1 · 30/03/2018 16:53

Oh my word. You could pick my jaw up off the floor. I have read two FT articles about Ted Malloch. It appears he is somewhat a chancer. And they have taken over the narrative. I remember him from the BBC with AN. Where he said he helped bring down the Soviet Union, so maybe there was another Union that needed a little taming. He didn't mean the US. Gobshite. There. I've expressed my opinion.

From the first one, his academic credentials are gilded, to say the least. Even business positions 'bigged' up. But he seems to have had dodgy relations with the truth in dealings with bank mortgages.

www.ft.com/content/d1b0453a-fde0-11e6-8d8e-a5e3738f9ae4

Cailleach1 · 30/03/2018 16:56

I never see Remain marches on the BBC. They show the ones in the US against easy availability of guns. Good reason for a march. But where are the UK marches on UK TV?

BigChocFrenzy · 30/03/2018 17:00

The reason many Remainers still want to “Stop Brexit” is because Leavers still have no clue how to “Start Brexit”
(other than the whole country jumping off a cliff)

DGRossetti · 30/03/2018 17:02

But where are the UK marches on UK TV?

If you want the full half hour cynic (not the five minute quickie) then the BBC has deliberately not covered peaceful Remain marches in the (hopefully vain) hope the frustration leads to violence.

Bet they cover them then.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 17:18

Andrew Adonis
@Andrew_Adonis
BBC BIAS: 32nd Farage appearance on Question Time, BBC refusal to report anti-Brexit marches last Saturday, vetoing by BBC top execs of programmes criticising Brexit (of which more from me anon), & constant bias of Today Programme, convince me BBC now in breach of Charter