The Brexit Arms

[BrexitArmsLandlady]

🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

The Brexit thread.

By Brexiters, for Brexiters.

Remainers welcome, but gobshites & goadyfuckers are encouraged to take their business elsewhere.

🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

The rewriting of history has begun.
It began in June 2016, when the 'left behind' 'world is going to end' rhetoric started and the win was framed as a victory against the elite for the racist little-Englanders. It obviously suits leavers remoaners to depict remainers leavers as a privileged wealthy bigoted, ignorant subset, while painting themselves as some kind of heroic working class revolutionaries caring saviours. It's almost as if JRM, BoJo, Farage Blair, Clegg, Adonis etc are figments of remainers leavers imaginations. You really couldn't make it up, even though logic would tell you that almost over half a country's voting population couldn't possibly be 'elite' frothing racists. I find it fascinating how self-deceiving a lot of leavers remoaners are. As has already been pointed out, they've already deceived themselves into believing 'it was always going to be tough' the EU was a glorious benefactor when they were shouting about sunlit uplands immediate recession and a glorious future dystopian future a year or two ago.

Fixed that for you.
You're welcome! 😇

@surferjet

Immigrants with family in Europe

If they are EU immigrants they could not vote in the ref unless they were also Irish or Maltese (I think) even if they'd lived here for 50 years, it didn't matter how many relatives they had in Europe. FOM between British and Ireland predates the EU but still I suppose it's possible Irish people voted Remain in the hope of loads of relatives moving to the UK?

fullfact.org/europe/who-can-vote-eu-referendum/

For surferjet’s post of 13:41:

over half a country's voting population couldn't possibly be 'elite' frothing racists

Have you had a look at Vote Leave, Leave EU, Britian First etc facebook pages? They are absolutely packed with 'frothing racist.

And another one for 13:57

(Do you really believe the stuff you post?)

KennDodd

So why did areas with high levels of immigration vote remain?
What’s the explanation?
Because most people have a ‘what’s in it for me’ attitude to politics - so can you explain?

Nice strike out fails there.
And, for the record, apart from George Osborne, I don't recall many people shouting about 'immediate recession'. In fact, most people are aware that we haven't left yet and most of the impact is yet to come. I also don't recollect many people describing the EU as a "glorious benefactor".
Your repeated use of the word "remoaner" makes you sound rather immature and fatuous.

Have you had a look at Vote Leave, Leave EU, Britian First etc facebook pages? They are absolutely packed with 'frothing racist.
Yes, but apparently they're not representative. I'm willing to accept that up to a point, but there's certainly a large number who are happy to parade their racism and xenophobia all over the FB pages you mention. And that Nigel Farage poster certainly appealed to the racist vote.

Large cities voted remain because they are multi cultural and people work/live/study alongside people from different backgrounds. I think we call this sort of thing tolerance.

Smaller towns with high unemployment, deprivation voted leave because they were fed the line that there towns were shit because of the EU, rather than the truth - British governments ignored their plight.

So why did areas with high levels of immigration vote remain?

I don't know. Why did you make the (wrong) assumption that EU nationals all vote remain so they could brings their relatives here?

So why did areas with high levels of immigration vote remain?
What’s the explanation?
Why don't you explain it, surfer? You were the one who said it was 'easy to explain'.

If you haven’t got a clue why areas with high levels of immigrants voted remain why are you so sure my reasons are wrong?

It’s been said a million times by remainers that the vast majority of leave voters were white working class. I’m sure that’s statistically true.

Why is that?
Can you explain?

Yes, deprived towns are predominantly white working class.

Have you had a look at Vote Leave, Leave EU, Britian First etc facebook pages? They are absolutely packed with 'frothing racist.

Are you seriously suggesting that the more than 17 million people who voted Leave are exactly the same as the nutters who post on/read the Leave.eu stuff? Or that they frequent their pages? Or share their every view?

The only time I see/hear things about that group are when remoaners on these threads mention them, or hold them up as being 'representative' of Leave voters.

Nice strike out fails there.

Reads fine to me.

Was it not you that was whining about not being able to see the same as other posters before? The flag stuff?

Your repeated use of the word "remoaner" makes you sound rather immature and fatuous.

😂😂

When there's nothing left to say, call a Brexiter immature & fatuous 😂😂😂

Because that's not at all immature & fatuous, is it?!!

Er, faith they are leave voters. Leave EU campaign was very prominent. What you’re trying to suggest, it would seem is that they are a different “type” of leave voter

Er, faith they are leave voters. Leave EU campaign was very prominent. What you’re trying to suggest, it would seem is that they are a different “type” of leave voter

Why are you still living in 2016?

It's 2018 btw - the Eu Ref campaign is no longer running.

Leave.eu are an irrelevance now.

Large cities voted remain because they are multi cultural and people work/live/study alongside people from different backgrounds. I think we call this sort of thing tolerance.

It breaks my heart (and reminds me I am a Londoner born and bred) that Birmingham is an exception to that

Even though it's the adopted home of Malala Yousafzai, who (as far as I am concerned) represents our brightest hopes for the future.

Very convenient faith. Sweep the ugly aspects of leave under the carpet. If they aren’t relevant now then we could say the same of the entire referendum.

Faith

Twofingers writes:

"The rewriting of history has begun."

and your very next post affirms her statement by doing just that!

*Twofingers writes:

"The rewriting of history has begun."

and your very next post affirms her statement by doing just that!*

It was a tongue in cheek response to the (yawnsomely familiar) ludicrous observations made by Twofingers.

I thought it was obvious, so didn't feel the need to make a clarification statement.

Frumpety, you asked me a question way back in the thread that I forgot to answer, sorry. You're one of a vanishingly few reasonable remain supporters on these threads so I don't mind responding to you.

Faith - honest question, if you are, as you say willing to wait for full divergence, how would you feel about the UK remaining in the SM/CU for a limited period of time, to allow business and organisations a sensible timescale to implement any proposed changes ?

SM/CU - no. Because I don't have the trust that it would be a 'limited period' only, I believe it would be left inevitably- and that means unable to become independent wrt future trade deals etc.

However:
EFTA - I'd be fine with that
EEA - wouldn't be over the moon as FoM would apply, but could live with it

What is "ludicrous" about my observations, Faith?