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The Brexit thread.

By Brexiters, for Brexiters.

Remainers welcome, but gobshites & goadyfuckers are encouraged to take their business elsewhere.

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Grabbing tax of the super rich who dodge tax.

You are so convinced the EU is bad when you provide a link to an excellent policy the EU is putting forward you won't let yourself agree.

I know the EU is not perfect, I know there are areas where reform is needed, but I also believe we are better in than out.

The blinkered belief that the EU is bad even when your own link demonstrates it isn't, is going to irrevocably harm this country.

I did agree the making the rich pay was a good idea. You just didn't bother to read it.
Want to leave something as you disagree with it's future plans doesn't make me wrong.

So you agree this EU policy is good. Excellent.
However, you will not see the benefit of this policy because you believe you know what the possible, future plans may be. Or not.

You would rather not have the money, you would rather people continue to dodge tax because of a possible, maybe, it's not agreed yet, it's not been discussed yet, perhaps.

I FOUND IT!

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/824494/European-Union-EU-raise-direct-taxes-after-Brexit-Verhofstadt

Ohhhhh it's in The Express.

It MUST be true then.

So your now saying only the EU can collect info on how to tax someone...

It was Guy Verhofstadt, in his inimitable style, making a case for direct taxation to replace member state contributions. An interesting idea intended to encourage individual engagement with the EU but extremely unlikely ever to get through.

More good Brexit news!

I wonder how many of us unknowlingly follow each other on Twitter?

There is no TIN at EU level.

ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/tax-cooperation-control/administrative-cooperation/tax-identification-numbers-tin_en

Sorry, it’s not The Express so not sure how accurate it is.

Although, as a British resident I seem to have a UTR rather than a TIN?

You found an article directly quoting an EU wish to directly tax the members of every country. And you don't think that is worrying, even more reason to think leave is a good idea. Forget which paper it is. That m
Would be money directly taken from all counties. A super state. Your 1p on tax for the NHS could never happen.

And I have a NINO. Who knew.

Did the cryptic "tell me about your childhood" comment on the last thread get ever explained? I don't understand the significance in relation to Brexit. Or am I missing something obvious?

Just because I can't find the link doesn't mean it wasn't said.
It was a while ago. But I really don't care if you believe it or not.
Also all any of us can did is wait and see how this now all enfolds.

You found an article directly quoting an EU wish to directly tax the members of every country

Does Guy Verhofstadt speak directly for the whole of the EU?

Or is he just one MEP who leads a particular grouping In the EU Parliament?

NF has the same job as Verhofstadt. He is funded (partially) by EU money. So NF is representing the EU at Trump Tower? The EU ran a leave campaign, too? As NF is their representative. As an MEP who leads a grouping.

Are UKIP an EU organisation? They have lots of funding through their MEP's from the EU.

However, I don't think Verhofstadt has been investigated by OLAF for fraud or misuse of funds.

I think Brexiteers should have to pay the Kippers golden handshakes and/or pensions. Bet they will extract as much as they can to feather their nests. All the while complaining about payments to the EU.

We know today that the UK Government rejects a customs and regulatory border down the Irish Sea, the EU single market, and the customs union,” Mr Tusk said

While we must respect this position, we also expect the UK to propose a specific and realistic solution to avoid a hard border.

Finally Leavers, and more specifically the government are actually going to have to answer some serious questions and explain which of their incompatible 'red lines' is the priority.

SM/CU u-turn, here we come.

Glad to see mummmys back, what did you think about the fact TM has ruled out WTO?

Do you still insist 'it could happen' or will you finally concede it won't?

Just to clarify, as it seems even things explicitly stated are ignored by Leavers, TM said we wouldn't be buffeted by demands to walk out and refused to answer a question on walking out in the QnA.

'No deal is better than a bad deal' is long gone.

Valanice1989, it was the landlady's subtle suggestion that I need therapy.

So mummmy, in summary. It seems that you are muddling two different things:

1. In an attempt to prevent unscrupulous rich people from avoiding taxes (and therefore making ordinary people pay an unfairly larger share), the member states of the EU have agreed to share information.
2. Guy Verhofstadt (an individual with some interesting if radical ideas) has raised the issue of replacing member state contributions with direct taxation. He makes it clear that this would make no difference to the amount of tax paid by individuals, would make no difference to the amount paid into the EU. But it would potentially lead to greater engagement of people. This, however, is just a suggestion, an idea, a concept. GV has many ideas, he is an enthusiastic, industrious, expert. I appreciate that he is Marmite.

The two things are completely seperate. One will happen (the first) and the other is extremely unlikely to get further than nowhere at all.

You talk of this weed/infection of the EU trapping you, as though the EU is some sinister foreign power. (Currently) the EU is us and we are the EU. It is a union of member states who work together for the benefit of all citizens. We are safer and stronger working together. We share knowledge and expertise to progress science together. We share the cost of large and small projects. We have influence. I really do not get this idea that being a member of the EU is so terribly bad. Yes, mistakes have been made - they are our mistakes too as we were part of the decision making.

"Just because I can't find the link doesn't mean it wasn't said.
It was a while ago. But I really don't care if you believe it or not."

Morning @Mummy2017, a few points here if I may:

1. If you can't find a reliable link on the Internet (sorry, I hope you realise the DM/DE are just tabloids and brainwashing machines), how can you be sure something was said. Were you physically in the room when it was said?
2. The main problem is not whether we believe it or not, but whether you believe it and it is not true
3. Let us try to be less emotional and more level headed about this, after all we are debating the future of the country
4. I suggest we should try to be more respectful towards each other...

Have a nice day.

You talk of this weed/infection of the EU trapping you, as though the EU is some sinister foreign power. (Currently) the EU is us and we are the EU. It is a union of member states who work together for the benefit of all citizens.

The EU is acting as a hegemon within Europe, and is not a benign force.

As a major player within the union we have power & influence, so it is no surprise that there are people within the UK who desperately want to remain a part of its empire.

I don't want to be part of a post-modern empire though, and the inevitable outcome of all empires is their failure when they overreach. The EU won't fail because the UK leaves, it will ultimately fail because of itself.

That is the 'weed' that I think of when I read posts like mummmy's.

At no point did I mix what I thought had been said about a tax on every member of the EU to help plug the black money pit of projects the EU still intend to find. So sorry but I did hear it on The BBC news. Shrugs. This was never about the link you posted.
As said we can't agree how do you expect EU 27 to agree... WTO is a fall back If this happens...

The EU is acting as a hegemon within Europe, and is not a benign force.

How so? The democratically elected leaders and ministers of the gov't's of the 28 member states set the agenda.

And I'm wondering if that empire statement applies to all unions comprised of more than one country/state. The US came from a civil war. The UK more or less the same. Conquest.