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Westministenders: One for the Women

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 10:23

Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

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DrivenToDespair · 13/03/2018 13:38

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Dobby1sAFreeElf · 13/03/2018 13:47

Definitely pain. It does make me giggle having an odd debate. Is he a Russian agent, is he just a racist, is he both? 😂

thecatfromjapan · 13/03/2018 13:56

BBC BReaking News - Twitter verified account. 13 Mar: "As soon as we get the facts straight, if we agree with them, we will condemn Russia or whoever it may be" - President Trump on Salisbury poisoning.

That is very different to what Tillerson was saying this morning. Shock

Tillerson's statement was that he was assured as to the content of what he'd been passed by the UK (ie. information had been passed - and we can assume it would be thorough, or May [especially given her current position] would not have involved EU or US - and was robust).

The language of that Trump quote is ... interesting.

It's quite something, as a whole, isn't it?

DGRossetti · 13/03/2018 13:57

Even as I was listening to the news this morning, the fact that the BBC was pointing out the difference between the state department and the Whitehouse made me think someones for the chop.

So, Tillerson goes, a few hours after talking to BoJo ?

Lico · 13/03/2018 14:08

De lurking.
Am not a fan of Trump but I agree with what he says. Get facts straight then condemn.
I can't help thinking that it is a ploy to bury bad news re Brexit

  1. spy stories all over the papers
  2. Kate's royal baby
  3. Harry's wedding .. Am I too cynical? May is trying to do a Falklands-whip the crowds into a frenzy ..
thecatfromjapan · 13/03/2018 14:18

Smile I think seriously poisoning 3 people - one of whom is a police officer - and 28 (was it 28) less seriously, and having another 500 washing their possessions is going a little far for a diversion, Lico.

Lico · 13/03/2018 14:26

Cat- yes, you are most probably right. I just have become very cynical of late..

But there are many Russian groups around. who might be responsible : dusgruntled ex-spies,, Mafia, , of course Putin and many more .

thecatfromjapan · 13/03/2018 14:29

And I think if there were any way that Teresa May could have kicked all this into the long grass (because it does open a can of worms about long-term Russian presence in UK finance and politics; because it does open a very public can of worms about UK post-Brexit relations with EU and US; because it does trigger a domino effect in international relations generally) she would have done.

I'm really not sure it does function as a distraction.

I think what will be interesting to see is if it can be manipulated into being minimised, or subsequently as a distraction, and to whose benefit.

DrivenToDespair · 13/03/2018 14:32

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DGRossetti · 13/03/2018 14:36

But there are many Russian groups around. who might be responsible : dusgruntled ex-spies,, Mafia,

I think given how incredibly sophisticated this attack was, it's extremely unlikely to be a non-state actor behind it, even if the final coup de grace was delivered by the local chapter of the Hells Angels.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I'd bet we'd have had more reaction from Russia if we had managed to (keep) spinning it as a story about food poisoning. (Thus denying them the worldwide oxygen of publicity they are enjoying).

I think what will be interesting to see is if it can be manipulated into being minimised, or subsequently as a distraction, and to whose benefit.

As noted on this thread, it's caused some of the barmy Brexit brigade to shut up for a moment.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/03/2018 14:49

Faisal Islam
‏*@faisalislam*
Ofcom writes to Russia Today, re “expedited” process re “fit and proper” test if “unlawful use of force” determined
Full statement - looks like RT broadcasting license is for the chop - Ofcom references “financing from the Budget of the Russian Federation”

www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/media/media-releases/2018/statement-on-rt-news-channel

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DGRossetti · 13/03/2018 14:52

So, either Putin has no control over dangerous substances created in his military labs (unlikely) or his security forces were behind the attack.

The more doubt the better, I'd have thought.

thecatfromjapan · 13/03/2018 14:54

Yes. Teresa May - in an act of diplomacy or desperation - did hand Russian the wiggle room of 'or allowed this to fall into the hands of another party' in her statement.

HAs there been an official reaction from Russia yet?

DrivenToDespair · 13/03/2018 14:56

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2018 15:00

Trump and Putin undermine the EU and take the spoils after its weakened.

Story today is Tillerson going.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/03/2018 15:01

It smacked of desperation to me, in a "don't make me have to actually take action on this" way, though I acknowledge my view is probably coloured by how she has allowed the hard right Brexiters free reign and seems powerless to enforce discipline there.

DGRossetti · 13/03/2018 15:02

Yeah, I believe they've demanded to see the UK's evidence.

Why not ?

Or is the rest of the world just supposed to take it on trust ?

(will be the narrative that Russia will spin)

The fact that to do so would pretty much tip the Russians off as to how much MIx/GCHQ have on them and their capabilities is merely an unfortunate by product Hmm

I suspect the most serious threat the UK can make to Russia is that if they don't do exactly what the UK demands, then the UK will repeat the measures it took after Litvinenko was murdered.

Whatever they were Hmm

Sostenueto · 13/03/2018 15:08

There is nothing we can do to Russia except make them laugh at usSad

DrivenToDespair · 13/03/2018 15:14

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/03/2018 15:14

I don't think that's true sos. They really don't like sanctions - look at all the efforts they've gone to to overturn them. If they can't launder the money stolen from the Russian people, that has a massive impact on Putin and his cronies.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/03/2018 15:18

Russian businessman and close associate of Boris Berezovsky found dead in Britain, lawyer says

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/13/russian-businessman-close-associate-ofboris-berezovsky-found/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

DGRossetti · 13/03/2018 15:19

They really don't like sanctions

Nowhere near as much as we don't like sanctions.

"Sanction busting" is a UK original phrase - one we gave the world.

DGRossetti · 13/03/2018 15:20

Russian businessman and close associate of Boris Berezovsky found dead in Britain, lawyer says

Sorry, had a mind fart and thought of "Boris the Blade" ...

thecatfromjapan · 13/03/2018 15:21

Probelm is, the UK government doesn't much like sanctions, either. Grin

I do wonder what Russia's feelings are towards a potential side-effect of Brexit being - potentially - a Labour government that is isolationist and committed to clamping down on money-laundering and unregulated finance?

I have many thoughts on that, including the thought that Labour's position is going to be pretty conflicted, in all manner of ways, on that issue.

Anybody have any thoughts?

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