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This may be the last Brexit Arms thread that I will host.

It was intended to be a non-partisan and relatively light hearted thread for posters on both sides of the divide, but unfortunately this seems to have proved impossible so far.

It is not supposed to be a place for the disgruntled Remainer to use as an outlet to abuse and kick out at their perceived enemy.

I will give it one last go in the hope that things will change.

So.... onwards to Brexit....

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You voted for something you don’t understand surfer? Well done

I voted to leave the EU.
I knew that if my vote won we’d leave the EU.
I understood that it must be possible to leave the EU or I wouldn’t have been given the option to leave.
I understood it would take years to complete.

I didn’t think if leave won that I’d have to sort it all out - so you’ve got me there, I didn’t understand that bit.

What else was I supposed to know?

You will need to come up with a different word to CLEAR as I think the vast majority of the UK roles their eyes whenever that word is used now

That phrase makes me 🙄 very dramatically, whilst 'for fuck's sake'-ing very loudly at the telly.

....let me be clear....

Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!!

Presumably, surfer you considered (amongst other things) things like trade, the border, EU citizens living in the UK, Uk citizens living in the EU when you voted?

Nope.

I understood that it must be possible to leave the EU or I wouldn’t have been given the option to leave

And here's where the whole problem lies.

It was never possible, you were given the option to vote for something that can't happen in practice.

DC didn't think you'd win so, in his mind, the fact it can't happen in practice didn't matter.

We are inextricably linked to the EU and will continue to be, even after we've 'left'.

We will still pay for access to Sm/CU whatever name that goes by

We will still abide by all their rules because we need to in order to trade

Not exactly the Brexiteers dream is it?

I rather like clarify , puts a lot of onus of the speaker to do actually that though , so unlikely to be popular , but the winner in my mind is perspicuous , just because I like an underdog and don't believe it gets as much use as it deserves

Frumpety,
Misunderstood post sorry.
Mother,
I don't think any one really wants the new FTA's to replace EU trade, all parties, in UK and EU, seem to want to keep as much of present trade going, if not grow it both ways. Just that leavers believe we can get better FTA outside the EU, then if we are in it. Starting with one with the EU. that's my humble reading of it anyway sure other leavers will tell you if I am wrong.
Who said Traitors, blocking a democratic process is a dangerous path to agree to. You might agree to stopping brexit, but what if a president is set, what's to stop people campaigning to stop elected parties to form the next government, after all no UK government ever wins a total majority of the UK voters. Or maybe we should just let Scotland go independent and overturn their referendum too.
Like Faith, if parliament or the British people vote against Brexit, and we stay, I would be concerned for the future of voting in Britain, but I would live with it. That is democracy, I have after all never voted for the party in government since 1987, when I became 18. You just have to living with it

I've just read the extracts released for TMs speech this afternoon.

It's embarrassing.

There's absolutely no more substance in it than there was in the speech before A5O was invoked.

Why are Leavers happy to be dragged along in all this?

Why are you not demanding more?

can I ask what people think of Toyota's decision to continue building Auris cars and it's engines in the UK, and Siemens announcing a new £200m Uk train building plant for future orders in Britain to be based at Goole.
Seems strange for all this investment if they think brexit will damage the UK's economy

Does she use the word CLEAR though Bear ?

I'm sure she will, about a million times, frumpty she simply can't speak without using the word 'clear'.

The extract does include 'deepest relationship'- that one drives me insane too.

but the winner in my mind is perspicuous

Had to google it - I like it!

It doesn't trip off the tongue easily enough though for me to use it in everyday parlance

Commenting on Toyota’s position, Van Zyl said: “As a company, we are doing what we can to secure the competitiveness of our UK operations as a leading manufacturing centre for our European business.
“With around 85% of our UK vehicle production exported to European markets, continued free and frictionless trade between the UK and Europe will be vital for future success

This Toyota User ^^

Seems strange for all this investment if they think brexit will damage the UK's economy

TM told Nissan everything would be fine straight after the referendum.

I'm convinced that in the background businesses like Nissan and Toyota are being told we're not actually leaving the SM/CU, just giving it a new name.

It's the only possible explanation because the car industry in particular NEEDS frictionless trade due to the number of movements in the manufacturing process.

Deepest relationship always make me snigger in a filthy minded double entendre kind of way

I think TM could pull off ( fnar,fnar) perspicuous Faith she has excellent diction ( sorry )

Like Faith, if parliament or the British people vote against Brexit, and we stay, I would be concerned for the future of voting in Britain, but I would live with it. That is democracy,

You misunderstand me a wee bit user.

If parliament brought a second Ref, I would be outraged as it undermines democracy imo (ie 'you didn't vote how we wanted you to, so we will get you to vote again in the prescribed fashion').
This then conveys the message that they've just payed lip service to 'giving the people the choice' and actually couldn't give a shit what we think.

If parliament voted against Brexit, I would again be outraged (same reason as above)

In these instances I would actively oppose & agitate.

However, if parliament voted to remain in CU/SM, rather than a clean break - I would be pissed off because I believe that would be an opportunity missed. But, I would grudgingly accept it as it is at least a first step towards a proper separation.

However, if parliament voted to remain in CU/SM, rather than a clean break - I would be pissed off because I believe that would be an opportunity missed. But, I would grudgingly accept it as it is at least a first step towards a proper separation.

except it wouldn't be a step towards proper separation because the whole reason it needs to happen is because we can't afford to separate.

It was never possible, you were given the option to vote for something that can't happen in practice

it may have escaped your notice, but we are in the process of leaving.
It’s what this thread is about Bear, Brexit.
< rolls eyes >

With a free trade agreement between UK/EU & utilisation & integration of all the different elements of technology already available it is entirely possible to not have a hard border in NI.

Faith I disagree that it is possible based on your response above but leave that aside for now as you still haven't answered my question which was IF the SM/CU are the only way to prevent a hard border will you accept it then?

Presumably, surfer you considered (amongst other things) things like trade, the border, EU citizens living in the UK, Uk citizens living in the EU when you voted?

Nope.

May I ask why, surfer?

Kofa, I gave an answer re SM/CU in a previous post.

2 previous posts in fact.